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From: Ben de Groot <yngwin@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Who is willing to be lead?
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 22:17:18 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <x2he117dbb91004101317y974d2b76u9becf8145e175e47@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <x2x7c612fc61004101227xc5bb6506i468a9d8d39250329@mail.gmail.com>

On 10 April 2010 21:27, Denis Dupeyron <calchan@gentoo.org> wrote:
> Ben,
>
> Petteri was proposing an idea. He is being creative

You call that creative? It seems you don't know what the word means.

> You, on the other hand, have lately been increasingly critical (which
> is good) but not constructively. You obviously have a lot of energy
> but at no point have you offered your contribution. You haven't
> offered to help the teams you've been criticizing and you haven't
> proposed any real idea (website redesign, recruiters).

I guess I was hallucinating that I started the wiki project, which has
been a popular request for as long as I can remember. I guess I
imagined I worked together with Markos to start the proxy-maintainer
project to improve visibility of that option to contribute. And I must
have been dreaming that I sent a mail about forming a team to review
and renew the recruitment process and curriculum. I must be mistaken
in thinking I have proposed to centralize all developer documentation
into one place. Oh, and forgive me for not publicly announcing that I
sent a mail to the dormant webteam about joining and offering my help.
And asking for leadership on issues that affect Gentoo on a wider
scale is not constructive?

Or maybe you are wrong about those things. Maybe you are not noticing
my contributions?

> Also you're
> criticizing without knowing what is happening when the information is
> publicly available (you're asking for a discussion on the metadata
> idea and it was a topic last month,

It is exactly because I know what council decided about the metadata
idea that I spoke up and asked for a reconsideration, giving some (in
my eyes) good arguments as to why you should. But I guess your reading
comprehension isn't that stellar either.

> the devrel issue is being tackled and it started before your rant).

To my knowledge there was no public announcement about that, other
than that we have another lead now.

> Credibility is among these things which take a long and hard work to
> build up and can completely blow up at any time.

Indeed. And you have now completely blown yours.

I am still hoping for a better Gentoo and volunteering to make that
happen. I hope you do too. So step up to the task and be a real
leader, which is what you were elected to do. Or, if you are unable or
unwilling to do so, step down and make room for somebody else who is
more qualified for the job.

-- 
Ben de Groot
Gentoo Qt project lead developer
Gentoo Wiki project lead



  reply	other threads:[~2010-04-10 20:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-04-10 13:53 [gentoo-dev] Who is willing to be lead? Petteri Räty
2010-04-10 14:00 ` Markos Chandras
2010-04-10 14:11   ` Petteri Räty
2010-04-12 10:23   ` Roy Bamford
2010-04-10 14:38 ` Ben de Groot
2010-04-10 14:44   ` Petteri Räty
2010-04-10 19:27   ` Denis Dupeyron
2010-04-10 20:17     ` Ben de Groot [this message]
2010-04-10 20:56       ` Petteri Räty
2010-04-10 21:18         ` Ben de Groot
2010-04-10 21:23           ` Petteri Räty
2010-04-10 21:37             ` Ben de Groot
2010-04-10 21:43               ` Petteri Räty
2010-04-10 22:06                 ` Denis Dupeyron
2010-04-10 22:10                   ` Petteri Räty
2010-04-10 22:54                     ` Denis Dupeyron
2010-04-10 23:44                       ` Ben de Groot
2010-04-11  2:30                         ` Richard Freeman
2010-04-11  1:21                       ` Sebastian Pipping
2010-04-10 22:15                   ` Ben de Groot
2010-04-10 21:06   ` Steve Rosiak
2010-04-10 21:19 ` Petteri Räty
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-04-10 14:09 Vincent-Xavier JUMEL
2010-04-11  0:20 ` Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto

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