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From: Ulrich Mueller <ulm@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH] profiles/targets/desktop: enable USE=vulkan by default
Date: Mon, 22 May 2023 12:36:22 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <w6gzg5wps9l.fsf@uni-mainz.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZGs3l3X55YNSLUhv@eversor> (Ionen Wolkens's message of "Mon, 22 May 2023 05:36:23 -0400")

>>>>> On Mon, 22 May 2023, Ionen Wolkens wrote:

>> That's a non-sequitur. No reason to not have it on doesn't imply that
>> there is a reason to have it on.
>> 
>> Also, shouldn't we avoid enabling local flags in profiles?

> I keep forgetting that this is still not global either, guess it'll
> ideally need another step first.

I see vulkan 31 times in use.local.desc, with slightly different
descriptions. Most notable difference:

app-office/libreoffice:vulkan - Enable Vulkan usage via the skia library (clang recommended)

Should it be renamed to "skia" for libreoffice, because that's also the
name of the upstream flag? libreoffice will also output a warning with
USE="vulkan -clang".

> For often-used USE, that doesn't mean that every users should have to
> enable it manually when they try to emerge the package. It would
> notably be annoying if, e.g. opengl wasn't default either (if opengl
> can be a default, I don't see why vulkan can't be in 2023).

> I see this as a sane desktop default much like having png, jpeg, etc..
> enabled.

Right, this is a valid reason for enabling it.

> Steam, games, and similar applications also come from several sources
> not necessarily managed by portage all while expecting typical GPU
> features (and png/jpeg support!) to work without having to dig in
> USE flags on a desktop profile more than necessary. It's a better
> out-of-the-box user experience.

IMHO this isn't. It is at least debatable if unpackaged proprietary
software should have any influence on our default settings.

Ulrich


  reply	other threads:[~2023-05-22 10:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-05-21 21:48 [gentoo-dev] [PATCH] profiles/targets/desktop: enable USE=vulkan by default Sam James
2023-05-22  8:13 ` Ulrich Mueller
2023-05-22  9:36   ` Ionen Wolkens
2023-05-22 10:36     ` Ulrich Mueller [this message]
2023-05-22 10:46       ` Andreas Sturmlechner
2023-05-22 12:41         ` Ulrich Mueller
2023-05-22  8:20 ` [gentoo-dev] " David Seifert
2023-05-22 12:54 ` [gentoo-dev] " orbea
2023-05-22 14:51   ` Ionen Wolkens

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