* [gentoo-dev] Printer drivers and net-print @ 2017-02-20 21:47 Andreas K. Huettel 2017-02-20 22:02 ` M. J. Everitt ` (3 more replies) 0 siblings, 4 replies; 31+ messages in thread From: Andreas K. Huettel @ 2017-02-20 21:47 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 769 bytes --] Hey all, 1) Putting printer drivers into "net-print" is silly. Something that converts format a to device-specific format b has absolutely nothing to do with network. So, a new category "sys-print", emphasizing that it's hardware drivers, (or "cups-drv"?) (or maybe "media-print"?) might make sense. 2) After introducing that, however, "net-print" becomes nearly empty. On a quick glance, the only *network*-specific packages in there are cups and lprng. Maybe one or two more which I dont recognize. So move cups and lprng to "net-misc" and drop "net-print"? Or move them to new "sys-print" as well? What do you think? Cheers, Andreas -- Andreas K. Hüttel dilfridge@gentoo.org Gentoo Linux developer (council, perl, libreoffice) [-- Attachment #2: This is a digitally signed message part. --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 981 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Printer drivers and net-print 2017-02-20 21:47 [gentoo-dev] Printer drivers and net-print Andreas K. Huettel @ 2017-02-20 22:02 ` M. J. Everitt 2017-02-20 22:11 ` Matthew Thode ` (2 subsequent siblings) 3 siblings, 0 replies; 31+ messages in thread From: M. J. Everitt @ 2017-02-20 22:02 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 959 bytes --] On 20/02/17 21:47, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: > Hey all, > > 1) Putting printer drivers into "net-print" is silly. > > Something that converts format a to device-specific format b has absolutely > nothing to do with network. > So, a new category "sys-print", emphasizing that it's hardware drivers, (or > "cups-drv"?) (or maybe "media-print"?) might make sense. > > 2) After introducing that, however, "net-print" becomes nearly empty. > > On a quick glance, the only *network*-specific packages in there are cups and > lprng. Maybe one or two more which I dont recognize. > > So move cups and lprng to "net-misc" and drop "net-print"? > Or move them to new "sys-print" as well? > > What do you think? > > Cheers, > Andreas > sys-print/cups seems perfectly logical .. its not unique to 'network printing' .. How about an actual listing of the remaining packages? We can throw them into new cat's in the bikeshed ... MJE [-- Attachment #2: OpenPGP digital signature --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 836 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Printer drivers and net-print 2017-02-20 21:47 [gentoo-dev] Printer drivers and net-print Andreas K. Huettel 2017-02-20 22:02 ` M. J. Everitt @ 2017-02-20 22:11 ` Matthew Thode 2017-02-21 8:28 ` Kristian Fiskerstrand 2017-02-21 8:53 ` Lars Wendler 2021-12-17 13:00 ` Andreas Sturmlechner 3 siblings, 1 reply; 31+ messages in thread From: Matthew Thode @ 2017-02-20 22:11 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1128 bytes --] On 02/20/2017 03:47 PM, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: > Hey all, > > 1) Putting printer drivers into "net-print" is silly. > > Something that converts format a to device-specific format b has absolutely > nothing to do with network. > So, a new category "sys-print", emphasizing that it's hardware drivers, (or > "cups-drv"?) (or maybe "media-print"?) might make sense. > > 2) After introducing that, however, "net-print" becomes nearly empty. > > On a quick glance, the only *network*-specific packages in there are cups and > lprng. Maybe one or two more which I dont recognize. > > So move cups and lprng to "net-misc" and drop "net-print"? > Or move them to new "sys-print" as well? > > What do you think? > > Cheers, > Andreas > Moving stuff around seems sort of like busy work. I can see the reasoning and as mjeveritt mentioned in the other email a full category rename may work just as well (instead of moving a couple of packages and also a rename). The question to me is 'is there a great enough need to go through the pain of this?'. -- Matthew Thode (prometheanfire) [-- Attachment #2: OpenPGP digital signature --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 801 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Printer drivers and net-print 2017-02-20 22:11 ` Matthew Thode @ 2017-02-21 8:28 ` Kristian Fiskerstrand 0 siblings, 0 replies; 31+ messages in thread From: Kristian Fiskerstrand @ 2017-02-21 8:28 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 645 bytes --] On 02/20/2017 11:11 PM, Matthew Thode wrote: > On 02/20/2017 03:47 PM, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: >> >> What do you think? > The question to me is 'is there a great enough need to > go through the pain of this?'. I would agree with this sentiment. The lesson is to put more care into naming categories to begin with so they are sufficiently broad to contain a useful set of packages, but moving it around after the fact causes more complexity than I would normally consider useful. -- Kristian Fiskerstrand OpenPGP keyblock reachable at hkp://pool.sks-keyservers.net fpr:94CB AFDD 3034 5109 5618 35AA 0B7F 8B60 E3ED FAE3 [-- Attachment #2: OpenPGP digital signature --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 488 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Printer drivers and net-print 2017-02-20 21:47 [gentoo-dev] Printer drivers and net-print Andreas K. Huettel 2017-02-20 22:02 ` M. J. Everitt 2017-02-20 22:11 ` Matthew Thode @ 2017-02-21 8:53 ` Lars Wendler 2017-02-21 10:57 ` Ulrich Mueller 2017-02-22 1:05 ` M. J. Everitt 2021-12-17 13:00 ` Andreas Sturmlechner 3 siblings, 2 replies; 31+ messages in thread From: Lars Wendler @ 2017-02-21 8:53 UTC (permalink / raw To: Andreas K. Huettel; +Cc: gentoo-dev [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1160 bytes --] Hi, On Mon, 20 Feb 2017 22:47:17 +0100 Andreas K. Huettel wrote: >Hey all, > >1) Putting printer drivers into "net-print" is silly. > >Something that converts format a to device-specific format b has >absolutely nothing to do with network. >So, a new category "sys-print", emphasizing that it's hardware >drivers, (or "cups-drv"?) (or maybe "media-print"?) might make sense. Like I said in IRC, I'm all in favor of this. "media-print" seems reasonable as I don't consider printing related packages being system-relevant (and thus no sys-print). >2) After introducing that, however, "net-print" becomes nearly empty. > >On a quick glance, the only *network*-specific packages in there are >cups and lprng. Maybe one or two more which I dont recognize. > >So move cups and lprng to "net-misc" and drop "net-print"? >Or move them to new "sys-print" as well? > >What do you think? > >Cheers, >Andreas > Cheers Lars -- Lars Wendler Gentoo package maintainer GPG: 21CC CF02 4586 0A07 ED93 9F68 498F E765 960E 9B39 Attention! New gpg key! See https://www.gentoofan.org/blog/index.php?/archives/9-New-gpg-keys.html [-- Attachment #2: Digitale Signatur von OpenPGP --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 833 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Printer drivers and net-print 2017-02-21 8:53 ` Lars Wendler @ 2017-02-21 10:57 ` Ulrich Mueller 2017-02-22 1:05 ` M. J. Everitt 1 sibling, 0 replies; 31+ messages in thread From: Ulrich Mueller @ 2017-02-21 10:57 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev; +Cc: Andreas K. Huettel [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1206 bytes --] >>>>> On Tue, 21 Feb 2017, Lars Wendler wrote: >> 1) Putting printer drivers into "net-print" is silly. >> >> Something that converts format a to device-specific format b has >> absolutely nothing to do with network. >> So, a new category "sys-print", emphasizing that it's hardware >> drivers, (or "cups-drv"?) (or maybe "media-print"?) might make sense. > Like I said in IRC, I'm all in favor of this. "media-print" seems > reasonable as I don't consider printing related packages being > system-relevant (and thus no sys-print). +1 If the category is badly named, move the packages to something more reasonable. Users don't expect printer drivers in net-*. (Also I don't buy the argument that package moves won't be worth the effort. Not doing the move means that any future packages will also have an inappropriate name.) No large preference for either media-print or sys-print here. >> 2) After introducing that, however, "net-print" becomes nearly empty. >> >> On a quick glance, the only *network*-specific packages in there are >> cups and lprng. Maybe one or two more which I dont recognize. Do a complete move please. Leaving a category with two packages doesn't make any sense. Ulrich [-- Attachment #2: Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 490 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Printer drivers and net-print 2017-02-21 8:53 ` Lars Wendler 2017-02-21 10:57 ` Ulrich Mueller @ 2017-02-22 1:05 ` M. J. Everitt 2017-02-22 2:48 ` Gordon Pettey 1 sibling, 1 reply; 31+ messages in thread From: M. J. Everitt @ 2017-02-22 1:05 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 913 bytes --] On 21/02/17 08:53, Lars Wendler wrote: > Hi, > > On Mon, 20 Feb 2017 22:47:17 +0100 Andreas K. Huettel wrote: > >> Hey all, >> >> 1) Putting printer drivers into "net-print" is silly. >> >> Something that converts format a to device-specific format b has >> absolutely nothing to do with network. >> So, a new category "sys-print", emphasizing that it's hardware >> drivers, (or "cups-drv"?) (or maybe "media-print"?) might make sense. > Like I said in IRC, I'm all in favor of this. "media-print" seems > reasonable as I don't consider printing related packages being > system-relevant (and thus no sys-print). > > Maybe we can shoot for "app-print" .. its not really a system package any more than a networking one, nor a (multi-)media package per-se (cue bikeshed on what 'media' means) .. so perhaps just 'app-print' or 'app-printing' .. I dunno .. Just my 2c50 as usual .. MJE [-- Attachment #2: OpenPGP digital signature --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 836 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Printer drivers and net-print 2017-02-22 1:05 ` M. J. Everitt @ 2017-02-22 2:48 ` Gordon Pettey 2017-02-22 3:08 ` M. J. Everitt 2017-02-22 6:10 ` Ulrich Mueller 0 siblings, 2 replies; 31+ messages in thread From: Gordon Pettey @ 2017-02-22 2:48 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1112 bytes --] On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 7:05 PM, M. J. Everitt <m.j.everitt@iee.org> wrote: > On 21/02/17 08:53, Lars Wendler wrote: > > On Mon, 20 Feb 2017 22:47:17 +0100 Andreas K. Huettel wrote: > > > >> Hey all, > >> > >> 1) Putting printer drivers into "net-print" is silly. > >> > >> Something that converts format a to device-specific format b has > >> absolutely nothing to do with network. > >> So, a new category "sys-print", emphasizing that it's hardware > >> drivers, (or "cups-drv"?) (or maybe "media-print"?) might make sense. > > Like I said in IRC, I'm all in favor of this. "media-print" seems > > reasonable as I don't consider printing related packages being > > system-relevant (and thus no sys-print). > > > > > Maybe we can shoot for "app-print" .. its not really a system package > any more than a networking one, nor a (multi-)media package per-se (cue > bikeshed on what 'media' means) .. so perhaps just 'app-print' or > 'app-printing' .. I dunno .. > There is no requirement for category names to be x-y. Instead of forcing a prefix-suffix pattern that doesn't really fit, just call it "printing". [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 1674 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Printer drivers and net-print 2017-02-22 2:48 ` Gordon Pettey @ 2017-02-22 3:08 ` M. J. Everitt 2017-02-22 12:29 ` Kent Fredric 2017-02-22 6:10 ` Ulrich Mueller 1 sibling, 1 reply; 31+ messages in thread From: M. J. Everitt @ 2017-02-22 3:08 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev [-- Attachment #1.1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1584 bytes --] On 22/02/17 02:48, Gordon Pettey wrote: > On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 7:05 PM, M. J. Everitt <m.j.everitt@iee.org > <mailto:m.j.everitt@iee.org>> wrote: > > On 21/02/17 08:53, Lars Wendler wrote: > > On Mon, 20 Feb 2017 22:47:17 +0100 Andreas K. Huettel wrote: > > > >> Hey all, > >> > >> 1) Putting printer drivers into "net-print" is silly. > >> > >> Something that converts format a to device-specific format b has > >> absolutely nothing to do with network. > >> So, a new category "sys-print", emphasizing that it's hardware > >> drivers, (or "cups-drv"?) (or maybe "media-print"?) might make > sense. > > Like I said in IRC, I'm all in favor of this. "media-print" seems > > reasonable as I don't consider printing related packages being > > system-relevant (and thus no sys-print). > > > > > Maybe we can shoot for "app-print" .. its not really a system package > any more than a networking one, nor a (multi-)media package per-se > (cue > bikeshed on what 'media' means) .. so perhaps just 'app-print' or > 'app-printing' .. I dunno .. > > > There is no requirement for category names to be x-y. Instead of > forcing a prefix-suffix pattern that doesn't really fit, just call it > "printing". Whilst I don't think there is anything specified in PMS/devmanual .. find me another category without X-Y pattern? I'm not sure about portage internals, but there could be some exploiting of the fact this is 'normally' the case .. I could, ofc, be mistaken ... [-- Attachment #1.1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 2887 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: OpenPGP digital signature --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 836 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Printer drivers and net-print 2017-02-22 3:08 ` M. J. Everitt @ 2017-02-22 12:29 ` Kent Fredric 0 siblings, 0 replies; 31+ messages in thread From: Kent Fredric @ 2017-02-22 12:29 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 200 bytes --] On Wed, 22 Feb 2017 03:08:38 +0000 "M. J. Everitt" <m.j.everitt@iee.org> wrote: > find me another category without X-Y pattern? cat /usr/portage/profiles/categories | grep -v '[-]' virtual [-- Attachment #2: OpenPGP digital signature --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 833 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Printer drivers and net-print 2017-02-22 2:48 ` Gordon Pettey 2017-02-22 3:08 ` M. J. Everitt @ 2017-02-22 6:10 ` Ulrich Mueller 2017-02-22 21:08 ` Andrew Savchenko 1 sibling, 1 reply; 31+ messages in thread From: Ulrich Mueller @ 2017-02-22 6:10 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 180 bytes --] >>>>> On Tue, 21 Feb 2017, Gordon Pettey wrote: > There is no requirement for category names to be x-y. https://projects.gentoo.org/pms/6/pms.html#x1-180003.1.1 "Category Names" [-- Attachment #2: Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 490 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Printer drivers and net-print 2017-02-22 6:10 ` Ulrich Mueller @ 2017-02-22 21:08 ` Andrew Savchenko 2017-02-23 17:50 ` Ulrich Mueller 0 siblings, 1 reply; 31+ messages in thread From: Andrew Savchenko @ 2017-02-22 21:08 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 587 bytes --] On Wed, 22 Feb 2017 07:10:25 +0100 Ulrich Mueller wrote: > >>>>> On Tue, 21 Feb 2017, Gordon Pettey wrote: > > > There is no requirement for category names to be x-y. > > https://projects.gentoo.org/pms/6/pms.html#x1-180003.1.1 "Category Names" I don't see a requirement here, only note on most common pattern: ``Note: A hyphen is not required because of the virtual category. Usually, however, category names will contain a hyphen.'' So "printing" sounds good. Prefix will not give users any useful information anyway in this case. Best regards, Andrew Savchenko [-- Attachment #2: Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 819 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Printer drivers and net-print 2017-02-22 21:08 ` Andrew Savchenko @ 2017-02-23 17:50 ` Ulrich Mueller 2017-02-23 20:58 ` Andrew Savchenko 0 siblings, 1 reply; 31+ messages in thread From: Ulrich Mueller @ 2017-02-23 17:50 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 482 bytes --] >>>>> On Thu, 23 Feb 2017, Andrew Savchenko wrote: >> https://projects.gentoo.org/pms/6/pms.html#x1-180003.1.1 "Category Names" > I don't see a requirement here, only note on most common pattern: > ``Note: A hyphen is not required because of the virtual category. > Usually, however, category names will contain a hyphen.'' It is a note on what is the exclusive pattern, with the single exception of the virtual category. I believe that we shouldn't break that pattern. Ulrich [-- Attachment #2: Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 490 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Printer drivers and net-print 2017-02-23 17:50 ` Ulrich Mueller @ 2017-02-23 20:58 ` Andrew Savchenko 2017-02-23 21:16 ` Ciaran McCreesh 2017-02-27 2:30 ` NP-Hardass 0 siblings, 2 replies; 31+ messages in thread From: Andrew Savchenko @ 2017-02-23 20:58 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 819 bytes --] On Thu, 23 Feb 2017 18:50:45 +0100 Ulrich Mueller wrote: > >>>>> On Thu, 23 Feb 2017, Andrew Savchenko wrote: > > >> https://projects.gentoo.org/pms/6/pms.html#x1-180003.1.1 "Category Names" > > > I don't see a requirement here, only note on most common pattern: > > > ``Note: A hyphen is not required because of the virtual category. > > Usually, however, category names will contain a hyphen.'' > > It is a note on what is the exclusive pattern, with the single > exception of the virtual category. I believe that we shouldn't break > that pattern. I'm fine with this approach, but could PMS be updated to contain more clear statement to avoid misunderstanding? E.g.: ``all category names must contain a single hyphen with a special exception for "virtual"'' Best regards, Andrew Savchenko [-- Attachment #2: Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 819 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Printer drivers and net-print 2017-02-23 20:58 ` Andrew Savchenko @ 2017-02-23 21:16 ` Ciaran McCreesh 2017-02-26 10:54 ` Andrew Savchenko 2017-02-27 2:30 ` NP-Hardass 1 sibling, 1 reply; 31+ messages in thread From: Ciaran McCreesh @ 2017-02-23 21:16 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev On Thu, 23 Feb 2017 23:58:50 +0300 Andrew Savchenko <bircoph@gentoo.org> wrote: > On Thu, 23 Feb 2017 18:50:45 +0100 Ulrich Mueller wrote: > > >>>>> On Thu, 23 Feb 2017, Andrew Savchenko wrote: > > >> https://projects.gentoo.org/pms/6/pms.html#x1-180003.1.1 > > >> "Category Names" > > > > > I don't see a requirement here, only note on most common > > > pattern: > > > > > ``Note: A hyphen is not required because of the virtual category. > > > Usually, however, category names will contain a hyphen.'' > > > > It is a note on what is the exclusive pattern, with the single > > exception of the virtual category. I believe that we shouldn't break > > that pattern. > > I'm fine with this approach, but could PMS be updated to contain > more clear statement to avoid misunderstanding? E.g.: > ``all category names must contain a single hyphen with a > special exception for "virtual"'' It's not a "must". Also, putting that rule in and having the package mangler enforce it can have unintended consequences: for example, there used to be the mild nuisance of dealing with overlays which didn't contain a categories list, and which did contain directories named CVS all over the place. -- Ciaran McCreesh ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Printer drivers and net-print 2017-02-23 21:16 ` Ciaran McCreesh @ 2017-02-26 10:54 ` Andrew Savchenko 2017-02-26 14:55 ` Gordon Pettey 0 siblings, 1 reply; 31+ messages in thread From: Andrew Savchenko @ 2017-02-26 10:54 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1626 bytes --] On Thu, 23 Feb 2017 21:16:15 +0000 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Thu, 23 Feb 2017 23:58:50 +0300 > Andrew Savchenko <bircoph@gentoo.org> wrote: > > On Thu, 23 Feb 2017 18:50:45 +0100 Ulrich Mueller wrote: > > > >>>>> On Thu, 23 Feb 2017, Andrew Savchenko wrote: > > > >> https://projects.gentoo.org/pms/6/pms.html#x1-180003.1.1 > > > >> "Category Names" > > > > > > > I don't see a requirement here, only note on most common > > > > pattern: > > > > > > > ``Note: A hyphen is not required because of the virtual category. > > > > Usually, however, category names will contain a hyphen.'' > > > > > > It is a note on what is the exclusive pattern, with the single > > > exception of the virtual category. I believe that we shouldn't break > > > that pattern. > > > > I'm fine with this approach, but could PMS be updated to contain > > more clear statement to avoid misunderstanding? E.g.: > > ``all category names must contain a single hyphen with a > > special exception for "virtual"'' > > It's not a "must". Also, putting that rule in and having the package > mangler enforce it can have unintended consequences: for example, > there used to be the mild nuisance of dealing with overlays which > didn't contain a categories list, and which did contain directories > named CVS all over the place. OK, let's say "should", or ever better explain details, e.g.: All newly created categories should follow "group-qualificator" pattern, a name without hyphen is allowed for a "virtual" category and for compatibility reasons in overlays. Best regards, Andrew Savchenko [-- Attachment #2: Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 819 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Printer drivers and net-print 2017-02-26 10:54 ` Andrew Savchenko @ 2017-02-26 14:55 ` Gordon Pettey 2017-02-27 21:16 ` Andrew Savchenko 0 siblings, 1 reply; 31+ messages in thread From: Gordon Pettey @ 2017-02-26 14:55 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1863 bytes --] On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 4:54 AM, Andrew Savchenko <bircoph@gentoo.org> wrote: > On Thu, 23 Feb 2017 21:16:15 +0000 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > On Thu, 23 Feb 2017 23:58:50 +0300 > > Andrew Savchenko <bircoph@gentoo.org> wrote: > > > On Thu, 23 Feb 2017 18:50:45 +0100 Ulrich Mueller wrote: > > > > >>>>> On Thu, 23 Feb 2017, Andrew Savchenko wrote: > > > > >> https://projects.gentoo.org/pms/6/pms.html#x1-180003.1.1 > > > > >> "Category Names" > > > > > > > > > I don't see a requirement here, only note on most common > > > > > pattern: > > > > > > > > > ``Note: A hyphen is not required because of the virtual category. > > > > > Usually, however, category names will contain a hyphen.'' > > > > > > > > It is a note on what is the exclusive pattern, with the single > > > > exception of the virtual category. I believe that we shouldn't break > > > > that pattern. > > > > > > I'm fine with this approach, but could PMS be updated to contain > > > more clear statement to avoid misunderstanding? E.g.: > > > ``all category names must contain a single hyphen with a > > > special exception for "virtual"'' > > > > It's not a "must". Also, putting that rule in and having the package > > mangler enforce it can have unintended consequences: for example, > > there used to be the mild nuisance of dealing with overlays which > > didn't contain a categories list, and which did contain directories > > named CVS all over the place. > > OK, let's say "should", or ever better explain details, e.g.: > > All newly created categories should follow "group-qualificator" > pattern, a name without hyphen is allowed for a "virtual" category > and for compatibility reasons in overlays. > If PMS is going to specify that, there ought to be better reasoning then "that's how it's always been done." What concrete benefit is there to _requiring_ hyphenated categories? [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 2776 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Printer drivers and net-print 2017-02-26 14:55 ` Gordon Pettey @ 2017-02-27 21:16 ` Andrew Savchenko 0 siblings, 0 replies; 31+ messages in thread From: Andrew Savchenko @ 2017-02-27 21:16 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1212 bytes --] On Sun, 26 Feb 2017 08:55:05 -0600 Gordon Pettey wrote: > On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 4:54 AM, Andrew Savchenko <bircoph@gentoo.org> > wrote: [...] > > OK, let's say "should", or ever better explain details, e.g.: > > > > All newly created categories should follow "group-qualificator" > > pattern, a name without hyphen is allowed for a "virtual" category > > and for compatibility reasons in overlays. > > > > If PMS is going to specify that, there ought to be better reasoning then > "that's how it's always been done." What concrete benefit is there to > _requiring_ hyphenated categories? Let's not mix different issues together: problems are much easier to solve with "divide and conqueror" approach than with "pile up and suffocate". PMS already have a statement about hyphen and all I want is to make it clearer. Why we have this requirement is another story. I'm not a PMS author thus I can't give you an authoritative answer here. The standard job is not to describe *why*, but to describe *how*. As for why, IMO it makes it easier to navigate through the list of categories. At least it was that way for me when I started to use Gentoo. Best regards, Andrew Savchenko [-- Attachment #2: Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 819 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Printer drivers and net-print 2017-02-23 20:58 ` Andrew Savchenko 2017-02-23 21:16 ` Ciaran McCreesh @ 2017-02-27 2:30 ` NP-Hardass 2017-02-27 10:04 ` Kristian Fiskerstrand 2017-02-27 20:44 ` Andrew Savchenko 1 sibling, 2 replies; 31+ messages in thread From: NP-Hardass @ 2017-02-27 2:30 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev; +Cc: bircoph [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1198 bytes --] On 02/23/2017 03:58 PM, Andrew Savchenko wrote: > On Thu, 23 Feb 2017 18:50:45 +0100 Ulrich Mueller wrote: >>>>>>> On Thu, 23 Feb 2017, Andrew Savchenko wrote: >> >>>> https://projects.gentoo.org/pms/6/pms.html#x1-180003.1.1 "Category Names" >> >>> I don't see a requirement here, only note on most common pattern: >> >>> ``Note: A hyphen is not required because of the virtual category. >>> Usually, however, category names will contain a hyphen.'' >> >> It is a note on what is the exclusive pattern, with the single >> exception of the virtual category. I believe that we shouldn't break >> that pattern. > > I'm fine with this approach, but could PMS be updated to contain > more clear statement to avoid misunderstanding? E.g.: > ``all category names must contain a single hyphen with a > special exception for "virtual"'' > > Best regards, > Andrew Savchenko > Might be best that this not be a PMS thing, but a Gentoo-specific recommendation for developers conveyed via the Devmanual. That's typically the place where Gentoo specifics are added in, like "New virtuals shouldn't be added without posting on the Gentoo mailing list," etc. -- NP-Hardass [-- Attachment #2: OpenPGP digital signature --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 801 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Printer drivers and net-print 2017-02-27 2:30 ` NP-Hardass @ 2017-02-27 10:04 ` Kristian Fiskerstrand 2017-02-27 20:44 ` Andrew Savchenko 1 sibling, 0 replies; 31+ messages in thread From: Kristian Fiskerstrand @ 2017-02-27 10:04 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev; +Cc: bircoph [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 489 bytes --] On 02/27/2017 03:30 AM, NP-Hardass wrote: > Might be best that this not be a PMS thing, but a Gentoo-specific > recommendation for developers conveyed via the Devmanual. That's > typically the place where Gentoo specifics are added in, like "New > virtuals shouldn't be added without posting on the Gentoo mailing list," > etc. +1 -- Kristian Fiskerstrand OpenPGP keyblock reachable at hkp://pool.sks-keyservers.net fpr:94CB AFDD 3034 5109 5618 35AA 0B7F 8B60 E3ED FAE3 [-- Attachment #2: OpenPGP digital signature --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 488 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Printer drivers and net-print 2017-02-27 2:30 ` NP-Hardass 2017-02-27 10:04 ` Kristian Fiskerstrand @ 2017-02-27 20:44 ` Andrew Savchenko 2017-02-27 21:35 ` Mike Gilbert 2017-02-28 2:00 ` Kent Fredric 1 sibling, 2 replies; 31+ messages in thread From: Andrew Savchenko @ 2017-02-27 20:44 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1578 bytes --] On Sun, 26 Feb 2017 21:30:23 -0500 NP-Hardass wrote: > On 02/23/2017 03:58 PM, Andrew Savchenko wrote: > > On Thu, 23 Feb 2017 18:50:45 +0100 Ulrich Mueller wrote: > >>>>>>> On Thu, 23 Feb 2017, Andrew Savchenko wrote: > >> > >>>> https://projects.gentoo.org/pms/6/pms.html#x1-180003.1.1 "Category Names" > >> > >>> I don't see a requirement here, only note on most common pattern: > >> > >>> ``Note: A hyphen is not required because of the virtual category. > >>> Usually, however, category names will contain a hyphen.'' > >> > >> It is a note on what is the exclusive pattern, with the single > >> exception of the virtual category. I believe that we shouldn't break > >> that pattern. > > > > I'm fine with this approach, but could PMS be updated to contain > > more clear statement to avoid misunderstanding? E.g.: > > ``all category names must contain a single hyphen with a > > special exception for "virtual"'' > > > > Best regards, > > Andrew Savchenko > > > > Might be best that this not be a PMS thing, but a Gentoo-specific > recommendation for developers conveyed via the Devmanual. That's > typically the place where Gentoo specifics are added in, like "New > virtuals shouldn't be added without posting on the Gentoo mailing list," > etc. Maybe. But splitting documentation of one issue into several documents may confuse readers. We already have "hyphen" in a category name being mentioned in the PMS, so this should be either clarified in the PMS or moved completely to the devmanual. Best regards, Andrew Savchenko [-- Attachment #2: Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 819 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Printer drivers and net-print 2017-02-27 20:44 ` Andrew Savchenko @ 2017-02-27 21:35 ` Mike Gilbert 2017-02-28 2:00 ` Kent Fredric 1 sibling, 0 replies; 31+ messages in thread From: Mike Gilbert @ 2017-02-27 21:35 UTC (permalink / raw To: Gentoo Dev On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 3:44 PM, Andrew Savchenko <bircoph@gentoo.org> wrote: > Maybe. But splitting documentation of one issue into several > documents may confuse readers. We already have "hyphen" in a > category name being mentioned in the PMS, so this should be either > clarified in the PMS or moved completely to the devmanual. I would be in favor of the latter. A hyphen (or lack thereof) is legal according to PMS, and we don't need to say anything more about it. If we want to require a hyphen due to prior convention in Gentoo, it should be moved to Gentoo-specific documentation. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Printer drivers and net-print 2017-02-27 20:44 ` Andrew Savchenko 2017-02-27 21:35 ` Mike Gilbert @ 2017-02-28 2:00 ` Kent Fredric 2017-02-28 8:47 ` Kristian Fiskerstrand 1 sibling, 1 reply; 31+ messages in thread From: Kent Fredric @ 2017-02-28 2:00 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 816 bytes --] On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 23:44:26 +0300 Andrew Savchenko <bircoph@gentoo.org> wrote: > Maybe. But splitting documentation of one issue into several > documents may confuse readers. We already have "hyphen" in a > category name being mentioned in the PMS, so this should be either > clarified in the PMS or moved completely to the devmanual. Maybe add a "but this set of options may be limited by invidual vendor conventions" or similar, indicating that although Portage Specification is one way, that there is at least one known subset of stricter behaviour elsewhere. That way people don't get tricked into reading PMS and then using it as grounds to break Gentoo policies. It *should* go without saying, but its better to be assume the reader doesn't know what "should go without saying" entails. [-- Attachment #2: OpenPGP digital signature --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 833 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Printer drivers and net-print 2017-02-28 2:00 ` Kent Fredric @ 2017-02-28 8:47 ` Kristian Fiskerstrand 0 siblings, 0 replies; 31+ messages in thread From: Kristian Fiskerstrand @ 2017-02-28 8:47 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 535 bytes --] On 02/28/2017 03:00 AM, Kent Fredric wrote: > That way people don't get tricked into reading PMS and then using it as grounds > to break Gentoo policies. > > It *should* go without saying, but its better to be assume the reader doesn't know > what "should go without saying" entails. Sounds odd to add something like this to a spec, that is an organizational training issue. -- Kristian Fiskerstrand OpenPGP keyblock reachable at hkp://pool.sks-keyservers.net fpr:94CB AFDD 3034 5109 5618 35AA 0B7F 8B60 E3ED FAE3 [-- Attachment #2: OpenPGP digital signature --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 488 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Printer drivers and net-print 2017-02-20 21:47 [gentoo-dev] Printer drivers and net-print Andreas K. Huettel ` (2 preceding siblings ...) 2017-02-21 8:53 ` Lars Wendler @ 2021-12-17 13:00 ` Andreas Sturmlechner 2021-12-17 16:55 ` Ulrich Mueller 2021-12-17 16:56 ` Andrew Savchenko 3 siblings, 2 replies; 31+ messages in thread From: Andreas Sturmlechner @ 2021-12-17 13:00 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1201 bytes --] On Montag, 20. Februar 2017 22:47:17 CET Andreas K. Huettel wrote: > Hey all, > > 1) Putting printer drivers into "net-print" is silly. > > Something that converts format a to device-specific format b has absolutely > nothing to do with network. > So, a new category "sys-print", emphasizing that it's hardware drivers, (or > "cups-drv"?) (or maybe "media-print"?) might make sense. > > 2) After introducing that, however, "net-print" becomes nearly empty. > > On a quick glance, the only *network*-specific packages in there are cups > and lprng. Maybe one or two more which I dont recognize. > > So move cups and lprng to "net-misc" and drop "net-print"? > Or move them to new "sys-print" as well? > > What do you think? > > Cheers, > Andreas I would like to resume this discussion on the occasion of a new [shameless plug] package PAPPL that is to be packaged, see also [1], from the point before discussion went off on an X-Y categories tangent. Here's a list of suggestions made for a new category so far, ordered from (seemingly) best- to least-liked: media-print sys-print app-print(ing) I agree net-print should not remain after such a move. [1] https://bugs.gentoo.org/829351 [-- Attachment #2: This is a digitally signed message part. --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 618 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Printer drivers and net-print 2021-12-17 13:00 ` Andreas Sturmlechner @ 2021-12-17 16:55 ` Ulrich Mueller 2021-12-17 16:56 ` Andrew Savchenko 1 sibling, 0 replies; 31+ messages in thread From: Ulrich Mueller @ 2021-12-17 16:55 UTC (permalink / raw To: Andreas Sturmlechner; +Cc: gentoo-dev [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1687 bytes --] >>>>> On Fri, 17 Dec 2021, Andreas Sturmlechner wrote: > On Montag, 20. Februar 2017 22:47:17 CET Andreas K. Huettel wrote: >> 1) Putting printer drivers into "net-print" is silly. >> >> Something that converts format a to device-specific format b has absolutely >> nothing to do with network. >> So, a new category "sys-print", emphasizing that it's hardware drivers, (or >> "cups-drv"?) (or maybe "media-print"?) might make sense. >> >> 2) After introducing that, however, "net-print" becomes nearly empty. >> >> On a quick glance, the only *network*-specific packages in there are cups >> and lprng. Maybe one or two more which I dont recognize. Historically these were the first two packages in the net-print category. Looks like it has grown from there, with later packages not really fitting the category's definition. >> So move cups and lprng to "net-misc" and drop "net-print"? >> Or move them to new "sys-print" as well? >> >> What do you think? > I would like to resume this discussion on the occasion of a new [shameless > plug] package PAPPL that is to be packaged, see also [1], from the point > before discussion went off on an X-Y categories tangent. > Here's a list of suggestions made for a new category so far, ordered from > (seemingly) best- to least-liked: > media-print > sys-print > app-print(ing) media-print sounds good. media-gfx would be another possibility. Scanning software like sane is already there. Or we could find an umbrella term for printing and scanning, and move both to that category. > I agree net-print should not remain after such a move. +1 > [1] https://bugs.gentoo.org/829351 [-- Attachment #2: signature.asc --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 507 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Printer drivers and net-print 2021-12-17 13:00 ` Andreas Sturmlechner 2021-12-17 16:55 ` Ulrich Mueller @ 2021-12-17 16:56 ` Andrew Savchenko 2021-12-18 0:37 ` Joshua Kinard 1 sibling, 1 reply; 31+ messages in thread From: Andrew Savchenko @ 2021-12-17 16:56 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1435 bytes --] On Fri, 17 Dec 2021 14:00:48 +0100 Andreas Sturmlechner wrote: > On Montag, 20. Februar 2017 22:47:17 CET Andreas K. Huettel wrote: > > Hey all, > > > > 1) Putting printer drivers into "net-print" is silly. > > > > Something that converts format a to device-specific format b has absolutely > > nothing to do with network. > > So, a new category "sys-print", emphasizing that it's hardware drivers, (or > > "cups-drv"?) (or maybe "media-print"?) might make sense. > > > > 2) After introducing that, however, "net-print" becomes nearly empty. > > > > On a quick glance, the only *network*-specific packages in there are cups > > and lprng. Maybe one or two more which I dont recognize. > > > > So move cups and lprng to "net-misc" and drop "net-print"? > > Or move them to new "sys-print" as well? > > > > What do you think? > > > > Cheers, > > Andreas > > I would like to resume this discussion on the occasion of a new [shameless > plug] package PAPPL that is to be packaged, see also [1], from the point > before discussion went off on an X-Y categories tangent. > > Here's a list of suggestions made for a new category so far, ordered from > (seemingly) best- to least-liked: > > media-print > sys-print > app-print(ing) IMHO sys-print is the best variant, since printing often requires system privileges to set it up or change lots of settings. Best regards, Andrew Savchenko [-- Attachment #2: Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 833 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Printer drivers and net-print 2021-12-17 16:56 ` Andrew Savchenko @ 2021-12-18 0:37 ` Joshua Kinard 2021-12-19 0:19 ` Andreas K. Huettel 2021-12-19 10:30 ` Ulrich Mueller 0 siblings, 2 replies; 31+ messages in thread From: Joshua Kinard @ 2021-12-18 0:37 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev On 12/17/2021 11:56, Andrew Savchenko wrote: > On Fri, 17 Dec 2021 14:00:48 +0100 Andreas Sturmlechner wrote: >> On Montag, 20. Februar 2017 22:47:17 CET Andreas K. Huettel wrote: >>> Hey all, >>> >>> 1) Putting printer drivers into "net-print" is silly. >>> >>> Something that converts format a to device-specific format b has absolutely >>> nothing to do with network. >>> So, a new category "sys-print", emphasizing that it's hardware drivers, (or >>> "cups-drv"?) (or maybe "media-print"?) might make sense. >>> >>> 2) After introducing that, however, "net-print" becomes nearly empty. >>> >>> On a quick glance, the only *network*-specific packages in there are cups >>> and lprng. Maybe one or two more which I dont recognize. >>> >>> So move cups and lprng to "net-misc" and drop "net-print"? >>> Or move them to new "sys-print" as well? >>> >>> What do you think? >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Andreas >> >> I would like to resume this discussion on the occasion of a new [shameless >> plug] package PAPPL that is to be packaged, see also [1], from the point >> before discussion went off on an X-Y categories tangent. >> >> Here's a list of suggestions made for a new category so far, ordered from >> (seemingly) best- to least-liked: >> >> media-print >> sys-print >> app-print(ing) > > IMHO sys-print is the best variant, since printing often requires > system privileges to set it up or change lots of settings. > > Best regards, > Andrew Savchenko Maybe consider three new top-level categories?: - print-drivers - print-filters - print-misc Breaking out what's in the current net-print: print-drivers/ brlaser cndrvcups-common-lb cndrvcups-lb cnrdrvcups-lb cups-windows dymo-cups-drivers epson-inkjet-printer-escpr foo2zjs gutenprint hplip hplip-plugin kyocera-1x2x-mfp-driver pnm2ppa splix print-filters/ apsfilter c2esp cnijfilter2 cups-filters kyocera-mita-ppds lexmark-upd-ppd foomatic-db foomatic-db-engine foomatic-db-ppds print-misc/ cups cups-bjnp cups-pdf cups-pk-helper fax4cups gtklp ink libinklevel mtink npadmin poster sshlpr I haven't looked at any of the other existing categories and only sorted out net-print packages into these new proposed categories, but I think *most* printing stuff is going to fall into one of those three type of buckets. A fourth category, say print-scanning, may be able to be created specific to scanning stuff, since that kinda has its own side-ecosystem. If we accumulate enough printing-related libraries, I guess print-libs may also come into being (right now, I put libinklevel under print-misc since it's the only lib* standout). Idea behind a new top-level print-* group of categories is that printing is a fairly large ecosystem, and lumping it all into something like media-print or sys-print seems to miss the mark a bit. media-* seems more aligned to things like sound, video, and graphics (the digital kind), and less about print media. sys-print implies the system-level connections that a printer has, and would be a good fit for all of the printer driver packages, but not as good a fit for things like net-print/poster. Also, the HOMEPAGE for foo2zjs is dead and up for sale. That needs to be changed to: https://github.com/koenkooi/foo2zjs -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS kumba@gentoo.org rsa6144/5C63F4E3F5C6C943 2015-04-27 177C 1972 1FB8 F254 BAD0 3E72 5C63 F4E3 F5C6 C943 "The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future frightens us. And our lives slip away, moment by moment, lost in that vast, terrible in-between." --Emperor Turhan, Centauri Republic ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Printer drivers and net-print 2021-12-18 0:37 ` Joshua Kinard @ 2021-12-19 0:19 ` Andreas K. Huettel 2021-12-19 1:21 ` Joshua Kinard 2021-12-19 10:30 ` Ulrich Mueller 1 sibling, 1 reply; 31+ messages in thread From: Andreas K. Huettel @ 2021-12-19 0:19 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev; +Cc: Joshua Kinard [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 312 bytes --] > Maybe consider three new top-level categories?: > - print-drivers > - print-filters > - print-misc Only if you take care of them. printing project is somewhat understaffed. -- Andreas K. Hüttel dilfridge@gentoo.org Gentoo Linux developer (council, toolchain, base-system, perl, libreoffice) [-- Attachment #2: This is a digitally signed message part. --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 981 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Printer drivers and net-print 2021-12-19 0:19 ` Andreas K. Huettel @ 2021-12-19 1:21 ` Joshua Kinard 0 siblings, 0 replies; 31+ messages in thread From: Joshua Kinard @ 2021-12-19 1:21 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev On 12/18/2021 19:19, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: >> Maybe consider three new top-level categories?: >> - print-drivers >> - print-filters >> - print-misc > > Only if you take care of them. printing project is somewhat understaffed. > I wish I had the time, as well as the knowledge. I do have a networked HP color laserjet at home (got it for a steal; toner is silly expensive, though), but I only ever use that printer with my Windows-based systems and have virtually avoided dealing with CUPS and all of its madness. I made my suggestion merely out of having an idea and wanting to contribute it to the other ideas submitted. -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS kumba@gentoo.org rsa6144/5C63F4E3F5C6C943 2015-04-27 177C 1972 1FB8 F254 BAD0 3E72 5C63 F4E3 F5C6 C943 "The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future frightens us. And our lives slip away, moment by moment, lost in that vast, terrible in-between." --Emperor Turhan, Centauri Republic ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Printer drivers and net-print 2021-12-18 0:37 ` Joshua Kinard 2021-12-19 0:19 ` Andreas K. Huettel @ 2021-12-19 10:30 ` Ulrich Mueller 1 sibling, 0 replies; 31+ messages in thread From: Ulrich Mueller @ 2021-12-19 10:30 UTC (permalink / raw To: Joshua Kinard; +Cc: gentoo-dev >>>>> On Sat, 18 Dec 2021, Joshua Kinard wrote: > Maybe consider three new top-level categories?: > - print-drivers > - print-filters > - print-misc net-print is already a small category with only 35 packages, so IMHO splitting it up into three tiny categories wouldn't make much sense. Also, splitting cups components between different categories looks a little artificial. > [...] > Idea behind a new top-level print-* group of categories is that printing is > a fairly large ecosystem, and lumping it all into something like media-print > or sys-print seems to miss the mark a bit. media-* seems more aligned to > things like sound, video, and graphics (the digital kind), and less about > print media. sys-print implies the system-level connections that a printer > has, and would be a good fit for all of the printer driver packages, but not > as good a fit for things like net-print/poster. Can we please keep things simple and just do a full category move [1] from net-print to (e.g.) media-print? Ulrich [1] https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/message/2479de62249646b84932ab2801914ccc ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
end of thread, other threads:[~2021-12-19 10:30 UTC | newest] Thread overview: 31+ messages (download: mbox.gz follow: Atom feed -- links below jump to the message on this page -- 2017-02-20 21:47 [gentoo-dev] Printer drivers and net-print Andreas K. Huettel 2017-02-20 22:02 ` M. J. Everitt 2017-02-20 22:11 ` Matthew Thode 2017-02-21 8:28 ` Kristian Fiskerstrand 2017-02-21 8:53 ` Lars Wendler 2017-02-21 10:57 ` Ulrich Mueller 2017-02-22 1:05 ` M. J. Everitt 2017-02-22 2:48 ` Gordon Pettey 2017-02-22 3:08 ` M. J. Everitt 2017-02-22 12:29 ` Kent Fredric 2017-02-22 6:10 ` Ulrich Mueller 2017-02-22 21:08 ` Andrew Savchenko 2017-02-23 17:50 ` Ulrich Mueller 2017-02-23 20:58 ` Andrew Savchenko 2017-02-23 21:16 ` Ciaran McCreesh 2017-02-26 10:54 ` Andrew Savchenko 2017-02-26 14:55 ` Gordon Pettey 2017-02-27 21:16 ` Andrew Savchenko 2017-02-27 2:30 ` NP-Hardass 2017-02-27 10:04 ` Kristian Fiskerstrand 2017-02-27 20:44 ` Andrew Savchenko 2017-02-27 21:35 ` Mike Gilbert 2017-02-28 2:00 ` Kent Fredric 2017-02-28 8:47 ` Kristian Fiskerstrand 2021-12-17 13:00 ` Andreas Sturmlechner 2021-12-17 16:55 ` Ulrich Mueller 2021-12-17 16:56 ` Andrew Savchenko 2021-12-18 0:37 ` Joshua Kinard 2021-12-19 0:19 ` Andreas K. Huettel 2021-12-19 1:21 ` Joshua Kinard 2021-12-19 10:30 ` Ulrich Mueller
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