From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970
Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org)
by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60)
(envelope-from <gentoo-dev+bounces-40384-garchives=archives.gentoo.org@lists.gentoo.org>)
id 1NxoDN-0007By-9v
for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 02 Apr 2010 21:15:41 +0000
Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1])
by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 17539E06E7;
Fri, 2 Apr 2010 21:15:37 +0000 (UTC)
Received: from mail-pv0-f181.google.com (mail-pv0-f181.google.com [74.125.83.181])
by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 354E5E0995
for <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>; Fri, 2 Apr 2010 21:15:12 +0000 (UTC)
Received: by pvg16 with SMTP id 16so954723pvg.40
for <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>; Fri, 02 Apr 2010 14:15:11 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed;
d=gmail.com; s=gamma;
h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to
:references:date:x-google-sender-auth:received:message-id:subject
:from:to:content-type;
bh=CJYJKwg7Yc9oVsO3wV2PvLJYbX7fOTq5S3iY469FYGM=;
b=tgAAzsbd/Y5suk0L8EgyCqLn5+6GZIEUvU2BXl5+791jCdk/lQwgAblnr2yx8+dLJk
YRVrMCVEqPqMsuupHkMfhvXXJqBDrLDRVd6+dFz+IAZrRoTUQumBDqshCzMeBOONpGum
xf0lYtTbpfqI6VRjkTh4tCYjD9qQVwBZvd8gM=
DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws;
d=gmail.com; s=gamma;
h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date
:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type;
b=Rlf8y+4RzGP8wnTrExwIprBuDU8tMG555qco4dYrKs8622GnLVISNRlNtsDqDdZ7Jc
FkFygf69WCzKWBApzMLKGsznHDz2AbMHUNHmskN0Vk3Y0TP48KQOrMCElujECiSJ/1RY
i0mHmNtyVCKS8hdpoatBCxhnNXgauMTcj+JQc=
Precedence: bulk
List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>
List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-dev+help@lists.gentoo.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev+unsubscribe@lists.gentoo.org>
List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev+subscribe@lists.gentoo.org>
List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-dev.gentoo.org>
X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
MIME-Version: 1.0
Sender: nirbheek.chauhan@gmail.com
Received: by 10.140.191.19 with HTTP; Fri, 2 Apr 2010 14:15:11 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <k2he117dbb91004020626nd681c5beyb0e16e6648b08925@mail.gmail.com>
References: <q2s8b4c83ad1004011023sc1dc8f91m4b968068283fd0e8@mail.gmail.com>
<k2he117dbb91004020626nd681c5beyb0e16e6648b08925@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2010 02:45:11 +0530
X-Google-Sender-Auth: bcb967267b9263c4
Received: by 10.141.101.17 with SMTP id d17mr1938581rvm.30.1270242911706; Fri,
02 Apr 2010 14:15:11 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <w2k8b4c83ad1004021415n154fe9d5x8fe90716e70bc56d@mail.gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Please don't turn this into a pissing match. (was:
pkg_pretend USE validation and VALID_USE alternative)
From: Nirbheek Chauhan <nirbheek@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
X-Archives-Salt: 004ae438-ade5-487a-bc59-e0d5ed303ca0
X-Archives-Hash: 2a8cb8769ac6b0eb3f6b73676cea2d60
On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 6:56 PM, Ben de Groot <yngwin@gentoo.org> wrote:
> On 1 April 2010 19:23, Nirbheek Chauhan <nirbheek@gentoo.org> wrote:
>> I don't want to point fingers in any one direction, [...] but I would
>> really like it if the volatile mix of paludis/pkgcore developers would
>> not explode all over the mailing list. Please don't let the discussions
>> get personal.
>
> But you _should_ point fingers. The only way to make sure we have
> civil discussions is to point out bad behavior and let people know
> we don't tolerate that. And when such behavior is displayed
> repeatedly, we should exclude such people from taking part in
> our discussions. We don't need poisonous people, so let's
> get rid of them.
>
I didn't personally point fingers in this case because me doing so in
that discussion would not have been taken as a neutral party stance.
Besides both sides were being childish; and sending one mail is easier
than 2-3 ;p
Neutral parties are constantly encouraged to put a stop to anti-social
behaviour by polite means (and escalate when necessary). We don't like
to see bytes being wasted on unproductive discussions, but we don't
want a witch-hunt either :)
--
~Nirbheek Chauhan
Gentoo GNOME+Mozilla Team