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From: "Paul Smith" <pausmith@nortelnetworks.com>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] No XFree86 w/ new license
Date: 25 Feb 2004 09:22:16 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <vpdrllmrutlz.fsf@lemming.engeast.baynetworks.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040225134804.GC16447@thebrain.conmicro.cx>

%% Jay Maynard <jmaynard@conmicro.cx> writes:

  >> > On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 02:12:10PM +0100, John Nilsson wrote:
  >> > > Because of this decision, the GNU system is not the same as the
  >> > > collection of all GNU software. The GNU system includes
  >> > > programs that are not GNU software, programs that were
  >> > > developed by other people and projects for their own purposes,
  >> > > but which we can use because they are free software." - Richard
  >> > > Stallman (http://www.gnu.org/gnu/thegnuproject.html)

  jm> Stallman's claiming credit for all of Linux, anywhere it appears,
  jm> just as SCO is climing credot for all of AIX, HP-UX, Solaris, and
  jm> every other proprietary Unix. None of the distributors you cite
  jm> are doing that.

Please show me where Stallman is claiming credit for "all of Linux,
anywhere it appears".  Certainly not in the text John quoted above.

In fact Stallman has _never_ claimed credit for Linux (the kernel).  All
he has done is ask (not sue, but ask) that people use the name GNU/Linux
to reflect the huge amount of effort the GNU project has expended over
the years that make Linux distributions, including Gentoo, a reality.

You may not agree with that, but it's his right to make the request just
as it's your right to refuse... and no one is going to court about it.
And _no one_ is claiming ownership over things they don't own or didn't
write, so please drop the SCO flame-bait.

Here is what the quoted document actually _does_ say about Linux, BTW:

> Linux and GNU/Linux
>
> The GNU Hurd is not ready for production use. Fortunately, another
> kernel is available. In 1991, Linus Torvalds developed a
> Unix-compatible kernel and called it Linux. Around 1992, combining
> Linux with the not-quite-complete GNU system resulted in a complete
> free operating system. (Combining them was a substantial job in
> itself, of course.) It is due to Linux that we can actually run a
> version of the GNU system today.
>
> We call this system version GNU/Linux, to express its composition as a
> combination of the GNU system with Linux as the kernel.

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  reply	other threads:[~2004-02-25 14:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 91+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-02-17  3:17 [gentoo-dev] No XFree86 w/ new license Donnie Berkholz
2004-02-17  3:37 ` Donnie Berkholz
2004-02-17  4:25 ` Donnie Berkholz
2004-02-18 14:50   ` CJ Kucera
2004-02-18 14:56     ` Paul de Vrieze
2004-02-18 15:13       ` CJ Kucera
2004-02-18 16:50         ` Donnie Berkholz
2004-02-18 17:50           ` CJ Kucera
2004-02-18 18:57             ` [gentoo-dev] " James H. Cloos Jr.
2004-02-18 19:19               ` CJ Kucera
2004-02-18 19:07             ` [gentoo-dev] " Donnie Berkholz
2004-02-18 19:09             ` Chris Gianelloni
2004-02-18 19:18               ` CJ Kucera
2004-02-18 20:16                 ` Paul de Vrieze
2004-02-18 20:56                   ` Andrew Cowie
2004-02-18 22:16                     ` Donnie Berkholz
2004-02-19  5:07                       ` CJ Kucera
2004-02-19  2:57                     ` Clay Culver
2004-02-17  7:22 ` Spider
2004-02-17  8:19   ` Donnie Berkholz
2004-02-19 20:39 ` Jason Rhinelander
2004-02-19 20:44   ` Donnie Berkholz
2004-02-20 14:36     ` Daniel Armyr
2004-02-20 15:10       ` Nathaniel McCallum
2004-02-20 11:04   ` Paul de Vrieze
2004-02-20 11:47     ` Peter Robinson
2004-02-20 13:16       ` Eldad Zack
2004-02-19 20:43 ` Svyatogor
2004-02-19 20:40   ` Donnie Berkholz
2004-02-19 22:10     ` Stewart Honsberger
2004-02-19 22:18       ` Tal Peer
2004-02-19 22:43         ` Luke-Jr
2004-02-20  4:59           ` Donnie Berkholz
2004-02-20  5:24             ` Luke-Jr
2004-02-20  5:37               ` Mike Frysinger
2004-02-19 22:49       ` Paul Smith
2004-02-19 22:56       ` George Shapovalov
2004-02-22 20:50 ` [gentoo-dev] " Drake Wyrm
2004-02-22 21:33   ` Jon Portnoy
2004-02-22 21:50     ` Jay Maynard
2004-02-22 22:29       ` Jon Portnoy
2004-02-23  3:20       ` Luke-Jr
2004-02-23  3:33         ` Jay Maynard
2004-02-23  3:47           ` Luke-Jr
2004-02-23  3:12     ` Luke-Jr
2004-02-22 21:58   ` Paul de Vrieze
2004-02-22 22:09     ` Donnie Berkholz
2004-02-25  6:32 ` [gentoo-dev] No " Jason Stubbs
2004-02-25 10:54   ` Brian Jackson
2004-02-25 12:27     ` Jason Stubbs
2004-02-25 13:12       ` John Nilsson
2004-02-25 13:35         ` Jay Maynard
2004-02-25 13:40           ` Luke-Jr
2004-02-25 13:48             ` Jay Maynard
2004-02-25 14:22               ` Paul Smith [this message]
2004-02-25 16:13               ` Luke-Jr
2004-02-27 18:17               ` Jon Portnoy
2004-02-27 18:33                 ` Jay Maynard
2004-02-27 18:44                   ` Jon Portnoy
2004-02-27 19:22                   ` Paul de Vrieze
2004-02-27 20:21                     ` Jay Maynard
2004-02-27 20:43                 ` Michael Cummings
2004-02-25 13:43           ` Paul Smith
2004-02-25 14:44           ` John Robinson
2004-02-26 13:28     ` Svyatogor
2004-02-26 13:21       ` Donnie Berkholz
2004-02-26 13:43         ` Svyatogor
2004-02-26 15:36           ` Matthew Kennedy
2004-02-26 15:57             ` Stewart
2004-02-26 16:05               ` Donnie Berkholz
2004-02-27  3:08               ` Matthew Kennedy
2004-02-27  7:40                 ` Brad Laue
2004-02-27  7:51                   ` Donnie Berkholz
2004-02-27  9:10                   ` Phil Richards
2004-02-27  9:40                     ` John Nilsson
2004-02-27  9:52                       ` Phil Richards
2004-02-27 10:25                         ` John Nilsson
2004-02-27 10:56                           ` Tom Wesley
2004-02-27 12:39                             ` Chris Gianelloni
2004-02-27 11:32                           ` Svyatogor
2004-02-27 12:15                           ` Jay Maynard
2004-02-27 12:35                           ` Chris Gianelloni
2004-02-27 13:47                             ` John Nilsson
2004-02-27 12:29                       ` Chris Gianelloni
2004-02-27 13:57                         ` John Nilsson
2004-02-27 12:21                   ` Chris Gianelloni
2004-02-26 13:24       ` Patrick Kursawe
2004-02-26 13:29       ` Paul de Vrieze
2004-02-26 13:42       ` Toby Dickenson
2004-02-26 13:52         ` Paul de Vrieze
2004-02-26 16:14           ` Donnie Berkholz

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