From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NySFo-0006J1-CQ for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 04 Apr 2010 16:00:52 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D041AE0B30; Sun, 4 Apr 2010 16:00:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-bw0-f223.google.com (mail-bw0-f223.google.com [209.85.218.223]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 350BFE0AAC for ; Sun, 4 Apr 2010 16:00:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz23 with SMTP id 23so532179bwz.26 for ; Sun, 04 Apr 2010 09:00:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:received:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=UzqhhVVvG7UBMioKJPzOrdZ6wlSH6tnsjcMwxzvcDmM=; b=SoXRfRl4xGSyOnq1c9WPvlFixohMQOLk30UAjjoGs8YAPhEusUdQw33x0w/Fbzth/5 cXA8LIUABkyol4hehCmybxGvDG1Tfby/GgRHX02v3yXs13oQMNRWck7GLc8K+ghAQUw7 1TgE6ONt1HtAqyq5bSfU6ybzo4NU1edGjk/6I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=Y0WWzAIQ+Gf36RX9YZFmNK0YIcHy/UIip2FMpNqk3ZKOzmo3JNhbp70gh4PPnqOeLl IcSoK3n39kDEHCw0qsrpmPA5aS9zsrXXinXD+dQkROt4GmiupfQYzc8rOqQzveWExmRQ MmA79Ei6n2gRkqihZvyXevc9ptC8svemP5I38= Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: yngwin.gentoo@gmail.com Received: by 10.204.33.199 with HTTP; Sun, 4 Apr 2010 09:00:23 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4BB8A349.4070006@allenjb.me.uk> References: <20100403163010.1897d663@mail.a3li.li> <4BB7D11F.7060207@gentoo.org> <20100404003152.4b2012da@angelstorm> <4BB8A349.4070006@allenjb.me.uk> Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2010 18:00:23 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 9e6f90cf63dc44d2 Received: by 10.204.24.134 with SMTP id v6mr5456083bkb.204.1270396823483; Sun, 04 Apr 2010 09:00:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki From: Ben de Groot To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Archives-Salt: 8517f729-6a00-4a98-98bb-87a2c57e618d X-Archives-Hash: f0787a3f7829bfbe0d538f9787a34062 On 4 April 2010 16:33, AllenJB wrote: > I'd like to ask what you think in launching a site that simply clones an > existing site is? Why take all the hard work the editors have put into > their articles on the unofficial wiki and duplicate them on another > site, creating TWO copies, both of which may be updated with different > information. Starting a wiki under the Gentoo umbrella is not about duplicating effort. It is about providing services that we currently don't and for which there is an apparent need. First and foremost it is about providing developers a place for easy (collaborative) editing of documents, so they wouldn't have to resort to either less practical solutions within gentoo.org, or external resources not under gentoo.org. Secondly, this would be a good place to centralize efforts by both users and developers to collaborate on generating, consolidating and maintaining documentation. Currently these are scattered over a number of places, as Dror has mentioned. We do not want to duplicate effort, but work together to bring the various efforts as much as possible into one place, a one-stop shop for all good and relevant information about Gentoo. > any site I find copying articles I've > contributed to (and certainly the ones I wrote from scratch) will suffer > all the wrath and abuse I can bring to it. Then you shouldn't contribute to a wiki that has a license that allows just that. > An official wiki should not be used to duplicate the existing unofficial > wiki (and I don't believe this is the intent of the developers who want > one). Not duplicate, but centralize and facilitate more collaboration. And give it more recognition and better quality control. And host it on the number one community site we have: gentoo.org, with all the infrastructure support that entails. Cheers, -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Linux Qt project lead developer