From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E459A158041 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2024 15:21:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0D323E2ACC; Tue, 27 Feb 2024 15:21:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (mail.gentoo.org [IPv6:2001:470:ea4a:1:5054:ff:fec7:86e4]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BA1BDE2AB9 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2024 15:21:21 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2024 10:21:17 -0500 From: Kenton Groombridge To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: banning "AI"-backed (LLM/GPT/whatever) contributions to Gentoo Message-ID: References: Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="t2god6muoh62egya" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Archives-Salt: 33a99802-5927-4948-8367-3f7dc605c3eb X-Archives-Hash: 5af30e3f1ce656dce2c9cd78502f4012 --t2god6muoh62egya Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 24/02/27 03:45PM, Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny wrote: > Hello, >=20 > Given the recent spread of the "AI" bubble, I think we really need to > look into formally addressing the related concerns. In my opinion, > at this point the only reasonable course of action would be to safely > ban "AI"-backed contribution entirely. In other words, explicitly > forbid people from using ChatGPT, Bard, GitHub Copilot, and so on, to > create ebuilds, code, documentation, messages, bug reports and so on for > use in Gentoo. >=20 > Just to be clear, I'm talking about our "original" content. We can't do > much about upstream projects using it. >=20 >=20 > Rationale: >=20 > 1. Copyright concerns. At this point, the copyright situation around > generated content is still unclear. What's pretty clear is that pretty > much all LLMs are trained on huge corpora of copyrighted material, and > all fancy "AI" companies don't give shit about copyright violations. > In particular, there's a good risk that these tools would yield stuff we > can't legally use. >=20 > 2. Quality concerns. LLMs are really great at generating plausibly > looking bullshit. I suppose they can provide good assistance if you are > careful enough, but we can't really rely on all our contributors being > aware of the risks. >=20 > 3. Ethical concerns. As pointed out above, the "AI" corporations don't > give shit about copyright, and don't give shit about people. The AI > bubble is causing huge energy waste. It is giving a great excuse for > layoffs and increasing exploitation of IT workers. It is driving > enshittification of the Internet, it is empowering all kinds of spam > and scam. >=20 >=20 > Gentoo has always stood out as something different, something that > worked for people for whom mainstream distros were lacking. I think > adding "made by real people" to the list of our advantages would be > a good thing =E2=80=94 but we need to have policies in place, to make sur= e shit > doesn't flow in. >=20 > Compare with the shitstorm at: > https://github.com/pkgxdev/pantry/issues/5358 >=20 > --=20 > Best regards, > Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny >=20 I completely agree. Your rationale hits the most important concerns I have about these technologies in open source. There is a significant opportunity for Gentoo to set the example here. --=20 Kenton Groombridge Gentoo Linux Developer, SELinux Project --t2god6muoh62egya Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQKTBAABCgB9FiEEP+u3AkfbrORB/inCFt7v5V9Ft54FAmXd/ehfFIAAAAAALgAo aXNzdWVyLWZwckBub3RhdGlvbnMub3BlbnBncC5maWZ0aGhvcnNlbWFuLm5ldDNG RUJCNzAyNDdEQkFDRTQ0MUZFMjlDMjE2REVFRkU1NUY0NUI3OUUACgkQFt7v5V9F t54ZexAAnw8QKXHaWEA3geVV6v1xlWcOA4JJD7NVmo92UNx8gkGlkfCzt0JcqsVf ZqqfD48C02RHlDjJHymw0SLACc5Wqq3O6GiXRa4nP9bTYTj/R+QArpUYLuYwhIoh Bm1IBQ5O86nLpqnkjsZOgWnjcjlj+GIUwPI408fqJ8ju0+VJAZrHLLI95SVI+KT7 AHzU5otD4wnfwOwDVFOQcbnHtNKz5ZsRBXwQuCSZ/oxFrgc873RzWJ4mpCJ715Sv RZ+5wVPOZgGjQm87T0oZj3iGnD8s217Z54+4ZMGP72vmDlhb6xO8rO4yRNFbT8Gf UXQAJBwoMIxGShiw68FNWo3wjo3hPNfkuumS4j7C2N8qvXiSsVrebPJa7tB+h2+M PKqTR53FhfdI3zqK+QqUNdqPHpAAP7hak69M3fMO9VG628DSIKXRuaxUfWtIEbA2 UJjXzy86K/vDY09hte7w21NKh938qEyQajThHdQ/FFrp1MPraloIG7RDdqpWXvUp 9Of/r5y3LXfI60SdZnco5e58UEhT4UV5aTfSZvs84K2eW8QQ6Nm4+ktM0FQlBKBt eP/rA6tJ/IUYA6UZMpdOsIyKwX0Gjhw3kS42ZZ5uOT0ZjLHpPxe4dKTCCSODyvId H/9OERiGpEvYHcMP9ju3fhzPkxeiF2QZ2r2ufoDLOB4enETrCaA= =aJqM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --t2god6muoh62egya--