From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CB4113852D for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2013 04:20:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7456821C09F; Fri, 18 Jan 2013 04:20:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5F40821C077 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2013 04:20:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7018533D8D6 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2013 04:20:27 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new using ClamAV at gentoo.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.771 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.771 tagged_above=-999 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=-1.768, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([IPv6:::ffff:127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [IPv6:::ffff:127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ykXI62MNNgHZ for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2013 04:20:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5535533D841 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2013 04:20:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Tw3RO-0007uK-T4 for gentoo-dev@gentoo.org; Fri, 18 Jan 2013 05:20:30 +0100 Received: from jill.marwnad.com ([74.207.229.113]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2013 05:20:30 +0100 Received: from junk+usenet by jill.marwnad.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2013 05:20:30 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org From: Paul Arthur Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: Lastrites: app-misc/secure-delete, app-misc/ccal, www-apache/mod_vhs, app-portage/epm, www-apps/online-bookmarks, sys-apps/i2c Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 23:13:20 -0500 Organization: Fantasy... Message-ID: References: <1358450490.4605.14.camel@belkin4> <1358454846.4605.21.camel@belkin4> <20130118035847.5359.qmail@stuge.se> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: jill.marwnad.com X-No-Archive: yes X-No-Ahbou: yes User-Agent: slrn/0.9.9p1 (Linux) X-Archives-Salt: 2da69cdd-1845-4a97-b918-6cb4763d33df X-Archives-Hash: d15de4024515534e62b8a90b9aa4b3e9 On 2013-01-18, Peter Stuge wrote: > Paul Arthur wrote: >> On 2013-01-17, Maxim Kammerer wrote: >> >> > All in all, secure-delete has its uses. What are people supposed to >> > use instead, dd if=/dev/zero of=/media/sdcard/naked_gf_0001.jpg? >> >> Perhaps 'shred', which is part of coreutils? > > From man shred: > > CAUTION: Note that shred relies on a very important assumption: that > the file system overwrites data in place. This is the traditional way > to do things, but many modern file system designs do not satisfy this > assumption. The following are examples of file systems on which shred > is not effective, or is not guaranteed to be effective in all file sys- > tem modes: > > * log-structured or journaled file systems, such as those supplied with > AIX and Solaris (and JFS, ReiserFS, XFS, Ext3, etc.) Yes. This is the exact same issue secure-delete has, since it uses the same approach. shred is just as useful as srm (in fact it's more useful, since it doesn't mandate the full, useless run of 38 passes that srm does.) -- The testicle that can be seen, felt, kicked, is not the true testicle. The true testicle... why, it's in your heart, as long as you can keep the magic of death energy and hatred of life alive in your soul. --Random Nerd on RPGnet