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Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Who is willing to be lead?
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On 11 April 2010 00:54, Denis Dupeyron <calchan@gentoo.org> wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 4:10 PM, Petteri R=C3=A4ty <betelgeuse@gentoo.org=
> wrote:
>> I mean things like "immature political rantings" are not likely to evoke
>> the wanted response and it didn't happen here either.
>
> I know it hurts the eyes a bit, but calling problems by their name is
> part of fixing them.

Except when someone else does it, then calling the problem of lack of
leadership suddenly becomes "immature political ranting". Nice try.

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Ben de Groot
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