From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75F2F1381F3 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 18:28:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A5C2021C039; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 18:28:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1C907E05FE for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 18:27:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A36A33DC98 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 18:27:34 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new using ClamAV at gentoo.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.387 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.387 tagged_above=-999 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=-1.361, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.024, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([IPv6:::ffff:127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [IPv6:::ffff:127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XocG5SHFT5ik for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 18:27:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5BDCE33DC91 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 18:27:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TkIw2-00008v-2V for gentoo-dev@gentoo.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 19:27:34 +0100 Received: from ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.231.22.224]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 19:27:34 +0100 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 19:27:34 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org From: Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: Attracting developers (Re: Packages up for grabs...) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 18:27:09 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <50CDFD7F.7040207@orlitzky.com> <20121216170248.GS8220@gentoo.org> <50CE02CA.6000408@orlitzky.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: Pan/0.140 (Chocolate Salty Balls; GIT 04c43ec /usr/src/portage/src/egit-src/pan2) X-Archives-Salt: 9c20f9c7-e680-4bd6-b9ed-58a7dc5c0c9c X-Archives-Hash: 12c4011fd7d1173d425b3b02724534e6 Michael Orlitzky posted on Sun, 16 Dec 2012 12:20:10 -0500 as excerpted: > On 12/16/2012 12:02 PM, Fabian Groffen wrote: >> On 16-12-2012 11:57:35 -0500, Michael Orlitzky wrote: >>> 3. Get off CVS for Christ's sake. Nobody wants to work with that. >>> I don't know how this fits into my bullet list, but it's important. >> >> It doesn't, and it's not. >> > I'm not going to put together a powerpoint presentation for you, but > think about it this way. > > Many new developers who want to contribute to to some project will learn > git, because a large number of important projects use git. No (new) > developers are going to learn CVS. Ever. > > Therefore, we can rule out "using CVS is helping us attract new > developers." I agree getting off of CVS is important in that it's likely triggering a writeoff of gentoo from the list of potential volunteers before they even get to where we see them, but AFAIK, the switch to git /is/ making (slow) progress. One of the big blockers was apparently taken care of via bounty (relatively) recently, and I don't think they'd have spent the money on that if they believed it to be pouring that money down a rathole. Before finding out about that, I too had despaired of the git transition being anything but "bluesky", but that's concrete indication that /somebody/ is still working on it, and that it's considered important enough for the gentoo foundation to spend money on. Meanwhile, I'm not sure how practical your bounty for recruiting spruceup is, since much of that work's likely to require intimate knowledge of gentoo and recruiting to approve, if not to actually do, and that level of knowledge is apparently in short supply, or recruiting wouldn't be the bottleneck it seems to be. I don't know how important a general gentoo web page redesign might be (I think what's there is perfectly functional and great), but you're certainly correct on the content itself; anything still mentioning looking for openings in the weekly newsletter is... anachronistic I think is the term. Have you checked for and filed if necessary, a bug on that? -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. 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