From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D0761381F3 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 23:33:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C272821C040; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 23:33:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 177B921C037 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 23:33:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D92C33DC99 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 23:33:13 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new using ClamAV at gentoo.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.39 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.39 tagged_above=-999 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=-1.364, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.024, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([IPv6:::ffff:127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [IPv6:::ffff:127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VtjJAY2N6krz for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 23:33:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 62D8333DC8B for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 23:33:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Tk1EI-0001pc-VZ for gentoo-dev@gentoo.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 00:33:14 +0100 Received: from ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.231.22.224]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 00:33:14 +0100 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 00:33:14 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org From: Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: eudev project announcement Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 23:32:50 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <50CBF400.2060104@gentoo.org> <20121215041648.17673.qmail@stuge.se> <20121215063304.GA6552@waltdnes.org> <20121215175340.GA7945@waltdnes.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: Pan/0.140 (Chocolate Salty Balls; GIT 04c43ec /usr/src/portage/src/egit-src/pan2) X-Archives-Salt: b43374eb-530e-4d42-98f3-fc45902481e7 X-Archives-Hash: 4392d49f9d31363f14764087dbdd56a3 Walter Dnes posted on Sat, 15 Dec 2012 12:53:41 -0500 as excerpted: > On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 07:21:21AM +0000, Duncan wrote >> Walter Dnes posted on Sat, 15 Dec 2012 01:33:04 -0500 as excerpted: >> >>> Actually, for political reasons, I hope that eudev does submit a >>> bunch bugs+patches, and gets them rejected. Then whenever anyone >>> complains about not sharing code, show them a bunch of WONTFIX emails >>> from systemd/udev maintainers. >> >> This attitude is and the described events would be... unfortunate. >> >> For the reasons you list, I don't believe people should be /surprised/ >> if many such bugs+patches are rejected after submission, but that >> wouldn't make it any less unfortunate, and IMO, hoping they DO get >> rejected is the wrong attitude to have. > > I should've been clearer in my email, rather than a train-of-thought > approach... > > 1) For appearance's sake and to make our position better in outsiders' > view, I *HOPE* that eudev developers are co-operative in regards to > sharing patches with systemd/udev. > > 2) Given past history, I *EXPECT* at least some bugs to be "resolved" > by the systemd/udev developers as WONTFIX. It was their attitude that > led to eudev in the first place. OK, /that/ I agree with. Keep the two-way open from our side so that it's their decision, not ours. Given history, I can't see anyone being terribly surprised if they reject as WONTFIX, but let it be their decision, not ours. There's as many differences as parallels, but I keep thinking of the openoffice/libreoffice split. The libreoffice folks bent over backward to keep the license and code something that Oracle/IBM could still use, tho they chose not to. But that was their decision, not the decision of the libreoffice folks. If the systemd-udev/eudev split endures, we could surely do a lot worse than libreoffice and still count it success, and I think we'd do well to emulate them in our bending over backward to retain legal and code reusability between the projects. If they choose not to take advantage, well, that's on them. As with lo/ooo, it may be that the code diverges over time, but let's not throw up artificial barriers to sharing immediately, nor hope that they don't take advantage, even if we won't be surprised should they chose not to. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman