From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAD561381F3 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 17:20:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B768021C107; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 17:20:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 04EF421C102 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 17:19:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23F8233D85C for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 17:19:28 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new using ClamAV at gentoo.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.468 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.468 tagged_above=-999 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=-1.351, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.115, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([IPv6:::ffff:127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [IPv6:::ffff:127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id J4NGWk-TZIgR for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 17:19:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F11333D853 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 17:19:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ta8Wl-0005r8-I2 for gentoo-dev@gentoo.org; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 18:19:27 +0100 Received: from ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.231.22.224]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 18:19:27 +0100 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 18:19:27 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org From: Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: Tightly-coupled core distro [was: Council meeting summary for 3 April 2012] Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 17:19:08 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <20120423012540.GA2130@waltdnes.org> <20120505010529.GD22763@kroah.com> <20120509183203.GA27545@kroah.com> <4bdd949a377d40eb85590870be440551@HUBCAS1.cs.stonybrook.edu> <50A8943E.7070607@gentoo.org> <20121118080845.GA8628@kroah.com> <50A89A73.3050709@flameeyes.eu> <50A8C257.7060103@mva.name> <50A8F918.2010802@flameeyes.eu> <50A90205.8040402@mva.name> <50A9030A.60806@flameeyes.eu> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: Pan/0.140 (Chocolate Salty Balls; GIT f91bd24 /usr/src/portage/src/egit-src/pan2) X-Archives-Salt: 652fe7db-1783-4d0f-8d4d-f1d958b85f2b X-Archives-Hash: 4e174988d172e6fcbd43761bc07362f2 Diego Elio Pettenò posted on Sun, 18 Nov 2012 07:47:22 -0800 as excerpted: > On 18/11/2012 07:43, Vadim A. Misbakh-Soloviov wrote: >> And, by the way, I doubt, that people "laugh" about eudev (previously >> named udev-ng) creation. Mostly they just can't understand why gentoo >> devs created third udev's fork, where it was already done (and >> maintained) fork for LFS (somewhere on bitbucket) > > People _are_ laughing at it. On G+, on Twitter, I suppose identi.ca and > IRC as well. There's worse things than being laughed it. In fact, what's the oft-used- in-MS/Linux-context quote (Gandi if I'm not mistaken), something along the lines of... First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win! If they're laughing, they're beyond the ignore stage. And we see evidence of the fight stage now too. If the idea behind that quote is correct... But regardless, there's quite some coding to do before we see. Meanwhile, it may fizzle out, or other events may overtake. Anyway you look at it tho, things could be interesting. But there's still worse things than being laughed at. Gentoo continued in spite of the ricer rep it once had, and this project seems to be being blown WAY out of proportion in all KINDS of ways, but gentoo will still continue, regardless. (All that said, the copyright/legal thing is a bit concerning, but it already seems to be on its way to being worked out, best I can tell, so it too seems to have been blown way out of proportion, tho it may well have been felt that was necessary in ordered to stress the gravity of the situation. As many find out too late, legal isn't a laughing matter, but regardless, that angle /does/ appear to be being addressed. The others... let them laugh.) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman