From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BF7C13800E for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 05:33:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 09107E076B; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 05:33:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE1A6E0763 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 05:32:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61C921B4008 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 05:32:35 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new using ClamAV at gentoo.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.49 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.49 tagged_above=-999 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=-1.478, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5KA4vCRTTHS4 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 05:32:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 96CEA1B4005 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 05:32:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Szhpg-0000jU-KW for gentoo-dev@gentoo.org; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 07:32:24 +0200 Received: from ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.231.22.224]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 07:32:24 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 07:32:24 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org From: Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: Questions about SystemD and OpenRC Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 05:32:10 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <1344366029.24762.31.camel@TesterTop4> <502377E7.8010803@gentoo.org> <20120809230025.GB7121@waltdnes.org> <1344553969.2121.10.camel@TesterTop4> <5024473D.80708@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: Pan/0.139 (Sexual Chocolate; GIT 1f91845 /usr/src/portage/src/egit-src/pan2) X-Archives-Salt: 9079d2cc-b959-4eea-b841-bc80ffc74d1d X-Archives-Hash: 84ee3cb89cc8fac0d6761c8acb3ac86e Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn posted on Fri, 10 Aug 2012 01:26:53 +0200 as excerpted: > Olivier Crête schrieb: >> Can we also have a desktop that doesn't use X? > > Yes, through Wayland or DirectFB. Me too! Seriously, they're working on it, ubuntu already has a target switch-to date (tho it's predicted to slip, but it /does/ make for faster progress), qt is planning to support it with qt5(point-something) and preliminary support is there already, same with kde frameworks (aka kde5) altho AFAIK it's mostly just kwin/plasma dev experiments ATM, and I believe gnome support may actually be further along than kde, especially with ubuntu pushing it, given that they still use the gnome foundations with unity. That's WAY farther along than any of the previous efforts toward replacing X on (other than embedded/Android) Linux got, and it actually looks like it's going to happen this time. So give it a couple years, but it's coming. Actually, wayland's exactly the thing I had in mind in my "five years" post as the next likely "worldview disrupter". I think X will still be around in five years, but it'll be "legacy" for many, maybe most. I don't know that the full implications of the switch to wayland can be predicted at this point, /I'm/ certainly not going to attempt it, and it's quite possible that as a result of that shift, systemd will look as "wrong solution for the wrong problem" as hal ended up looking. But the only way to know is to live thru it and see where the experience takes us. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman