From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 263FC13800E for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 10:26:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5678421C01C; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 10:25:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EBDAE07C3 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 10:25:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0DF71B403F for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 10:25:09 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new using ClamAV at gentoo.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.496 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.496 tagged_above=-999 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=-1.484, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id H5Do34kNeg1N for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 10:25:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DEE971B4022 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 10:25:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SzPvE-0005Sb-9w for gentoo-dev@gentoo.org; Thu, 09 Aug 2012 12:24:56 +0200 Received: from ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.231.22.224]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 09 Aug 2012 12:24:56 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 09 Aug 2012 12:24:56 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org From: Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: Global Systemd USE Flag Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 10:24:43 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <20120808161551.425c8e62@pomiocik.lan> <5022784C.5040201@gentoo.org> <502279B6.3080305@gentoo.org> <20120808221912.GA1973@linux1> <20120809092426.17fc64c5@pomiocik.lan> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: Pan/0.139 (Sexual Chocolate; GIT 1f91845 /usr/src/portage/src/egit-src/pan2) X-Archives-Salt: 46db4c0f-b1ab-499c-829e-f00d7c8e97df X-Archives-Hash: b0611b4e3254fcc0b2a14264f1b90e8a Michał Górny posted on Thu, 09 Aug 2012 09:24:26 +0200 as excerpted: > On Thu, 9 Aug 2012 06:57:17 +0000 (UTC) > Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> wrote: > >> So I really expect people to be switching to systemd 2-3 years from >> now, and that it'll be the gentoo default in 3-5 years, tho openrc will >> almost certainly be supported in /some/ form, at least comparable to >> the kde- sunset overlay and probably officially, at least five years >> out. But a decade out, all bets are off! > > Do you really believe that 2-3 years from now systemd will still exist? > Not systemkit, then syskit, then ... Were any of the *kits, etc, Lennart projects? IDR reading about pulse, anyway, switching names. Meanwhile, Isn't systemd close to two years old now, already? I'm about a month behind on LWN, but I've kept up with my other community news and haven't read anything of a change yet, and it'd take /some/ discussion and then time to switch to some other name/framework, etc. Given I've not read of any such thing yet, and I suspect Lennart would attempt a veto, in practice I think we're locked in to nearing two years anyway, at least a year. Plus, they're still in the build-up phase with systemd ATM, integrating things like logging (binary-format, no less! !), etc. I'd expect them to play with their toys a bit before getting bored and throwing them out of the tram. =:^) But in the 3-5 year timeframe I think it's possible. Thus the mention of hal. And certainly out beyond five years... FLOSS predictions of any sort tend to get fuzzy out past five years; given what seems to be 3-5 year worldview changer event period, but a built-in system reaction time buffer that never-the-less gives you /some/ prediction safety out to five years, /maybe/ seven for the real broad strokes. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman