From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA37D13800E for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 11:32:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AB6F1E07B9; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 11:31:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12955E0798 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 11:31:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ECE71B4010 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 11:31:02 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new using ClamAV at gentoo.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.501 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.501 tagged_above=-999 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=-1.489, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id l8GTE0Y0wVWy for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 11:30:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 30F071B400F for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 11:30:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Sz4TR-00030l-Rj for gentoo-dev@gentoo.org; Wed, 08 Aug 2012 13:30:49 +0200 Received: from ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.231.22.224]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 08 Aug 2012 13:30:49 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 08 Aug 2012 13:30:49 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org From: Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: Questions about SystemD and OpenRC Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 11:30:37 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <20120807141156.13030.qmail@stuge.se> <20120807182905.0f8c0121@pomiocik.lan> <20120807221321.164e4757@pomiocik.lan> <50218A5E.3090005@gmail.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: Pan/0.139 (Sexual Chocolate; GIT 1f91845 /usr/src/portage/src/egit-src/pan2) X-Archives-Salt: ea307665-ebfb-475a-afea-824dbe66e0e8 X-Archives-Hash: 56983f16cad5fa0be63af65b42746433 Dale posted on Tue, 07 Aug 2012 16:36:30 -0500 as excerpted: > What I don't like about the way Walter, mdev, is being treated is this. > People say that if you don't like the way udev is going, WRITE CODE. If > you are not going to write code, don't complain about udev. Then > Walter, I think I got the name right, comes along and comes up with a > alternative for udev that seems to work well for the people using it. > Then people complain because he is actually stepping up and WRITING > CODE. Well, it seems a person can't win on this. FWIW, while this isn't (currently at least) a solution I'd use, I certainly respect the man both for coming up with a solution to his own problems, and more importantly, for sharing it with others. =:^) The more so here, since as he's stated (and much like me), he's reasonable with scripting, etc, but doesn't claim to be a C/C++ coder. I believe there's quite a few list readers who have a similar respect for his efforts. Just because it's not something they'd use personally, doesn't mean they don't respect the idea. I believe at least some of the push-back isn't out of disrespect per se, or even saying it shouldn't be done, it's more a skepticism many within the FLOSS community develop over time, having seen all sorts of projects begun, but few of them actually survive more than a few months, continuing to be maintained and updated over years. Just take a look at sourceforge or github or the like, for the number of half-or quarter- finished projects... FLOSS projects are similar to business startups in that regard. Something like 80% don't survive a year or ever become even close to self- sufficient, but if they do... they're generally around for five. (Tho a difference with FLOSS is that in 5-10 years, the /need/ for the project has often disappeared as well, at least as originally envisioned. By that point many projects that actually survived their first year and got a userbase, have either evolved far enough from the original idea that they're hardly recognizable, or have simply disappeared as no longer necessary or useful. By contrast, a business life cycle, once it gets beyond that first year, tends to be rather longer... So I think a lot of it is more a "nice idea, we'll see if it sticks around", more than a disrespect for it or the person behind it, per se. If it's still around and actually useful in a couple years, I expect you'll see a lot more overt respect that simply isn't evident, now. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman