From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1SiZTI-0005L7-HA for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 23:10:28 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 69EA221C0AD; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 23:10:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD91F21C073 for ; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 23:09:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4242F1B4046 for ; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 23:09:39 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new using ClamAV at gentoo.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.482 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.482 tagged_above=-999 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=-0.570, BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id N0xYPn4kFJMB for ; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 23:09:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 329831B4031 for ; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 23:09:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SiZSI-0003t9-N1 for gentoo-dev@gentoo.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 01:09:26 +0200 Received: from ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.231.22.224]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 01:09:26 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 01:09:26 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org From: Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: My wishlist for EAPI 5 Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 23:09:18 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <4FE231BA.6020404@gentoo.org> <20120620213518.4baf8150@googlemail.com> <4FE24408.40302@gentoo.org> <1340258936.2470.5.camel@belkin4> <20120621080039.0724cf8d@googlemail.com> <1340263510.2470.18.camel@belkin4> <20120621083945.345d661a@googlemail.com> <1340438017.5979.11.camel@belkin4> <20120623103833.6b9cb91e@googlemail.com> <20120623114432.3e40b26c@googlemail.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: Pan/0.138 (Der Geraet; GIT 66040af /usr/src/portage/src/egit-src/pan2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 3be891e9-fedb-499d-be0a-d61bc604c211 X-Archives-Hash: 46f38160b635b8b20396a13e86509a42 Rich Freeman posted on Sat, 23 Jun 2012 07:12:29 -0400 as excerpted: > You can't fix it by beating people up. Volunteers do it on their own terms... or don't do it. The outliers can=20 be moderated to some degree and thankfully the list isn't what it once=20 was, but get too strict and people simply find other things to do. Of=20 course there's a line where letting them find something else to do is=20 best, and some have crossed it, but... > 1. While perhaps a different leader might give people a warmer feeling > about it, I think many of these issues are just inherent to the nature > of the problem - PM features don't write themselves. Others might > disagree, and that is fine. >=20 > 2. I don't see anybody else stepping up. Good points. (Whole post actually, but snipped for brevity.) To some=20 extent, the job of coordinating PMS is going to be a (nearly) thankless=20 task, and it does take a specific kind of person to keep at it. Not=20 everybody's cut out for it. You're right, others /aren't/ stepping up=20 for it and I can't blame them. Thanks for pointing out what we likely=20 all knew if we thought about it, but many (me included) sometimes forget. Back to my original point, tho. Seeing people working on other PMs make=20 the point as well, helps, and I hope to see both a bit more of that and=20 more reminders of it in other subthreads/replies, where appropriate. I=20 know that helps me keep a bit better perspective. =3D:^) --=20 Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman