From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1SSef8-0003qL-IR for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 11 May 2012 01:28:54 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E14C9E0D03; Fri, 11 May 2012 01:28:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80663E0CFA for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 01:28:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA8D11B4020 for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 01:28:02 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new using ClamAV at gentoo.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.502 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.502 tagged_above=-999 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=-0.590, BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BNfnYtP25pmq for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 01:27:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0D5F61B401C for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 01:27:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SSee7-0002Xi-QM for gentoo-dev@gentoo.org; Fri, 11 May 2012 03:27:51 +0200 Received: from ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.231.22.224]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 03:27:51 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 03:27:51 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org From: Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: Tightly-coupled core distro [was: Council meeting summary for 3 April 2012] Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 01:27:44 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <4F85E21C.4060106@gentoo.org> <20120423012540.GA2130@waltdnes.org> <20120505010529.GD22763@kroah.com> <20120509183203.GA27545@kroah.com> <20120509223630.GA29213@kroah.com> <4FAC0F9A.7070907@googlemail.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: Pan/0.136 (I'm far too busy being delicious; GIT 187e40f /st/portage/src/egit-src/pan2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: b3853d3c-ce98-423a-ba4b-04d612839b84 X-Archives-Hash: 91c7925434f2c399e0a96abd685e9d99 David Leverton posted on Thu, 10 May 2012 19:57:30 +0100 as excerpted: > Greg KH wrote: >> No one forces you to use any of this software if you do not want to. >> There are lots of other operating systems out there, feel free to >> switch to them if you do not like the way this one is working out, no >> one is stopping you. >=20 > Or alternatively, the people who hate Unix could move to some other OS > that suites them better, rather than trying to destroy what everyone > else is perfectly happy with. I see the "hate Unix" angle tho I'd call it a bit strong... But trying to destroy what everyone else is perfectly happy with?? How is simply writing some software, which after all is FLOSS and which=20 nobody is forced to use, "destroying"? They're taking their own software= =20 where their vision points it, no more, no less. I don't really agree=20 with where it's going either, but that's part of the very freedom of the=20 FLOSS community we're all a part of. Others can fork the software or=20 provide less integrated substitutes, if desired. Meanwhile, if it's what= =20 other coders choose to build on, well, they're free to do that too. It=20 doesn't mean I have to use their software! FWIW, that's one reason I'm no longer using kmail, for instance. When=20 kmail akonadified, I tried it, then switched to claws-mail. It's ALSO one= =20 reason I'm using gentoo, I get to choose whether I build kde with akonadi= =20 and semantic-desktop support, or not. And I choose not. I see the kdepi= m=20 folks vision, and they're free to pursue it, but their path and my path=20 simply diverged, that's all. Kde runs SO much nicer without the weight=20 of semantic-desktop dragging it down. And if the systemd and udev path fully merge, I'll have a choice at that=20 point. If systemd looks mature and stable enough at that point to be=20 used on my system, I'll probably try it. I might like it. =3D:^) Or, li= ke=20 akonadified kmail, I may find it a rube goldberg of a system that I'd=20 rather stay away from. Given history, I'm sure there will be alternate=20 solutions available, tho it'll no doubt take some serious work and=20 adaptation on my part to switch. --=20 Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman