From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1SSeDz-0001yd-MA for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 11 May 2012 01:00:53 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 86B6FE0AA8; Fri, 11 May 2012 01:00:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F14DE0A80 for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 00:59:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B02411B401C for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 00:59:46 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new using ClamAV at gentoo.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.503 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.503 tagged_above=-999 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=-0.591, BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JTaEJwd53P8M for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 00:59:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B853A1B4028 for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 00:59:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SSeCj-0006Qo-NV for gentoo-dev@gentoo.org; Fri, 11 May 2012 02:59:33 +0200 Received: from ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.231.22.224]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 02:59:33 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 02:59:33 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org From: Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: Tightly-coupled core distro [was: Council meeting summary for 3 April 2012] Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 00:59:22 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <4F8503DF.1010802@gentoo.org> <4F85E21C.4060106@gentoo.org> <20120423012540.GA2130@waltdnes.org> <20120505010529.GD22763@kroah.com> <20120509183203.GA27545@kroah.com> <4FAC1D16.9080301@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: Pan/0.136 (I'm far too busy being delicious; GIT 187e40f /st/portage/src/egit-src/pan2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 813794c3-6056-4938-b36c-fc3cebc3571b X-Archives-Hash: 2e05c2f49a151fc62ab09928bebe3e4a Fabio Erculiani posted on Thu, 10 May 2012 22:48:29 +0200 as excerpted: > On a side note, I find it quite odd to be accused of trash talking by > Linux Kernel people. hwoarang is a kernel person? If you note, gregkh didn't post that. I can't agree with udev/systemd=20 integration, but it's worth noting that gregkh has for the most part=20 stayed out of that debate, and simply stated where he sees udev going, as= =20 an upstream person who thus speaks with authority on the subject. It may very well be that a fork is thus required. I guess we wait and=20 see. But I don't see the kde folks being willingly subsumed into a=20 gnomeos black hole, and time and again, floss history has demonstrated=20 that when there's an immediate need, forks do occur. Both gnome and kde=20 have their forks in recent history, xorg is a fork, there's the glibc and= =20 gcc history, etc. If integration gets too close, a fork /will/ happen. But that history is available to everyone and the wise will take heed. =20 Meanwhile, for the moment at least, upstream udev and systemd have both=20 taken pains to state that while they're going to ship in a unified=20 tarball, at least for now, udev will remain buildable on its own,=20 SPECIFICALLY to support folks not ready to go systemd just yet. So=20 there's still hope. And 3-5 years is an eternity in an ecosystem such as the FLOSS world,=20 evolving at the speed of the net! Looking back from there, it's quite=20 possible this debate will look petty and short-sighted, regardless of how= =20 things ultimately turn out. --=20 Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman