From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1S1DGD-0007oh-Qk for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 25 Feb 2012 08:45:46 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DB9F0E0E16; Sat, 25 Feb 2012 08:45:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C2EEE0BA3 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2012 08:45:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99CAB1B4009 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2012 08:45:03 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new using ClamAV at gentoo.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.51 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.51 tagged_above=-999 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=-0.598, BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KKTJNxbd9er7 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2012 08:44:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DA2871B4004 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2012 08:44:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1S1DFJ-0002I7-Pl for gentoo-dev@gentoo.org; Sat, 25 Feb 2012 09:44:49 +0100 Received: from ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.231.22.224]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2012 09:44:49 +0100 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2012 09:44:49 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org From: Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: rfc: virtual/modutils and module-init-tools Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 08:44:39 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <20120225060107.GA12218@linux1> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: Pan/0.136 (I'm far too busy being delicious; GIT 0efefbf /st/portage/src/egit-src/pan2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 78dad850-96fc-4a23-a187-3ec478d65984 X-Archives-Hash: bbc16d50eb8f95bfed4fa3325cd16fcf Robin H. Johnson posted on Sat, 25 Feb 2012 07:21:40 +0000 as excerpted: > I think we should examine dropping virtual/modutils from system. > It'll be on most systems anyway however. It's needed to build any > kernel, so the only place where it won't be would be a system with a > monolithic kernel that was built on a different host and copied over or > used for booting without being on the filesystem (common in VMs). I beg to disagree. I've been building monolithic kernels for years now,=20 and had module-init-tools in package.provided and not on the system at=20 all. In fact, that's the case for both my main amd64 system and my 32-bit x86=20 netbook system. No module-init-utils. You are however correct that it'll be on most systems, at least with=20 udev-181, since udev won't build without kmod, now. (I found that out=20 when the build broke on me due to missing kmod, as I've had udev unmasked= =20 for awhile and got 181 before kmod was added as a dep.) --=20 Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman