From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1RYTUj-0007eh-Ub for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 08 Dec 2011 02:13:59 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B997C21C0D0; Thu, 8 Dec 2011 02:13:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 958B821C02C for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2011 02:13:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F30A91B4005 for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2011 02:12:59 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new using ClamAV at gentoo.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.164 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.164 tagged_above=-999 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=1.239, BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.201, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rjHnzJmCBuJX for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2011 02:12:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50CB21B400E for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2011 02:12:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RYTTc-0002PH-78 for gentoo-dev@gentoo.org; Thu, 08 Dec 2011 03:12:48 +0100 Received: from ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.231.22.224]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 08 Dec 2011 03:12:48 +0100 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 08 Dec 2011 03:12:48 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org From: Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: {bi,multi}arch support for all x86/amd64/ppc/sparc systems Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 02:12:37 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <201112071715.48319.vapier@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: Pan/0.135 (Tomorrow I'll Wake Up and Scald Myself with Tea; GIT 5a56aa9 /st/portage/src/egit-src/pan2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: fe07b819-3daf-4a45-94b4-c2965ec555c8 X-Archives-Hash: 316712a84dfa3f38791f047e12d82195 Mike Frysinger posted on Wed, 07 Dec 2011 17:15:47 -0500 as excerpted: > the advantage is that it should obsolete the separate kgcc64 package fo= r > most people. and i think it might help out with the multilib bootstrap > issue: you can't build multilib gcc without a multilib glibc, and can't > build a multilib glibc without a multilib gcc, but i think you should b= e > able to build a multilib glibc with a multiarch gcc, and then a multili= b > gcc after that. 1) Will this allow building grub from amd64/no-multilib, thus avoiding=20 having to have grub-static? That's the one thing I don't like about no- multilib, having to use the pre-built grub-static. 2) What about grub-2, and while we're on it, is a switch to that expected= =20 any time soon, and/or is there a grub-static-2 in the wings? With the=20 grub-1 gpt patches (and hopefully btrfs support at some point) I'm not=20 sure that staying with grub-1 isn't my preference in any case, but I do=20 worry how long that's going to be viable, especially with btrfs coming=20 and no grub-1 btrfs support that I'm aware of, and I have literally /no/=20 idea what might or might not be in gentoo's pipeline, grub-wise. 3) One thing I very much like about no-multilib is the shorter gcc (and=20 glibc) builds. This will kill that (for gcc), right? USE flag activated= =20 to avoid that for those who want to? (Of course I realize that it's=20 unlikely I can keep/get both the shorter gcc builds and support for grub=20 builds.) --=20 Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman