From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1RJGeq-0008LE-Ux for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 03:29:33 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D765221C0A6; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 03:29:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91B4821C02E for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 03:28:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 142DF1B401A for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 03:28:57 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new using ClamAV at gentoo.org X-Spam-Score: -3.774 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.774 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=0.930, BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.504] Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OyMOCriQOyJF for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 03:28:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BBD91B4014 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 03:28:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RJGe4-0006pB-7P for gentoo-dev@gentoo.org; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 05:28:44 +0200 Received: from ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.231.22.224]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 05:28:44 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 05:28:44 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org From: Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: [Council] ChangeLog generation within Gentoo Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 03:28:33 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <20111026170212.GD843@gentoo.org> <20111026193356.058efef7@neptune.home> <20111026210022.GI843@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: Pan/0.135 (Tomorrow I'll Wake Up and Scald Myself with Tea; GIT 045ef68 /st/portage/src/egit-src/pan2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: b556f966483914a88efdf2002f9d33c1 Fabian Groffen posted on Wed, 26 Oct 2011 23:00:22 +0200 as excerpted: > On 26-10-2011 14:02:12 -0400, Rich Freeman wrote: >> Well, if the desire to trim changelogs is generally agreed upon we >> could always just count the lines and post a top-100 list or something >> and let package maintainers go in and truncate things as seems bet to >> them, with the guideline to keep the file intact up to a year before >> the last commit. Eventually the files will be cleaned up. >=20 > Don't you think it's much more sensical to remove all entries for > ebuilds that are no longer in the tree then? 1) Given the irregularity of older entries, that could be difficult to=20 automate, tho it could be done going forward, once a log has been=20 manually trimmed once. 2) I'd argue for keeping upstream version commits and removals, so at=20 minimum, the dates they were in the tree can be tracked. (FWIW, I often=20 find myself checking this information when helping someone try to build=20 something half-modern on a stale distro like CentOS 5, for instance.) It= =20 could be argued that this is a reasonably important minimal historical=20 record. But all stabilizations, -rX bumps, and changes other than upstream=20 version addition and removal, indeed, removing those entries say three=20 months minimum after the ebuilds are no longer in the tree does make=20 sense. (And as a bonus, such removal would make the historical record=20 above, addition and removal of older upstream versions, far easier to=20 read, since it'd be all that's left for versions already out-of-tree. =3D= :^) --=20 Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman