[gentoo-dev] openrc-0.8.1 stable candidate

[gentoo-dev] openrc-0.8.1 stable candidate

[William Hubbs]

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All,

at long last, we have an openrc stable candidate.

This means we need more testers.

We need some people who are still using baselayout-1 to migrate to
baselayout-2 and openrc to make sure that still is successful. Also, we
need developers to upgrade to openrc-0.8.1 and let us know if there are
issues.

Here is my plan, if there are no major issues.

On 5/1, I will commit a news item which I will post later today for
review. It was originally written by fauli, but I have reworded it
slightly.

Assuming that things go well, I will be pushing for stabilization of
baselayout-2 and openrc on 5/8.

This plan will also be posted on
http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=295613 very shortly.

If there are any issues with this, let me know.

William


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Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc-0.8.1 stable candidate

[Patrick Lauer]

On 04/12/11 16:56, William Hubbs wrote:
> All,
> 
> at long last, we have an openrc stable candidate.
> 
Thanks to all who kept chiseling away at this issue - it's nice to see
that we still can get things done, even if it sometimes takes a week or
hundred more than initially planned.

I hope it all goes well!

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[gentoo-dev] Re: openrc-0.8.1 stable candidate

[Duncan]

Patrick Lauer posted on Tue, 12 Apr 2011 17:08:32 +0200 as excerpted:

> On 04/12/11 16:56, William Hubbs wrote:
>> 
>> at long last, we have an openrc stable candidate.
>> 
> Thanks to all who kept chiseling away at this issue

From a user who has been following developments since the baselayout 1.13 
era, with the bugs filed and ultimately fixed to prove it...

It really feels good to be this close, as for awhile I wondered if there'd 
forever be that gap between ~arch and stable.  It really did take a number 
of people a monumental amount of effort to bridge that gap, and we owe 
them a lot of gratitude for it, the more so as we see all that effort 
paying off. =:^)

Thanks!

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Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc-0.8.1 stable candidate

[Alex Alexander]

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On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 09:56:22AM -0500, William Hubbs wrote:
> All,
> 
> at long last, we have an openrc stable candidate.
> 
> This means we need more testers.
> 
> We need some people who are still using baselayout-1 to migrate to
> baselayout-2 and openrc to make sure that still is successful. Also, we
> need developers to upgrade to openrc-0.8.1 and let us know if there are
> issues.
> 
> Here is my plan, if there are no major issues.
> 
> On 5/1, I will commit a news item which I will post later today for
> review. It was originally written by fauli, but I have reworded it
> slightly.
> 
> Assuming that things go well, I will be pushing for stabilization of
> baselayout-2 and openrc on 5/8.
> 
> This plan will also be posted on
> http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=295613 very shortly.
> 
> If there are any issues with this, let me know.
> 
> William

Excellent news, thank you for seeing this through.

I'm happy to report that openrc has been working pretty well for me :)
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Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc-0.8.1 stable candidate

[Rémi Cardona]

Le 12/04/2011 16:56, William Hubbs a écrit :
> All,
> 
> at long last, we have an openrc stable candidate.

Thanks to all of you who worked on this over the years, your efforts are
_really_ appreciated.

> This means we need more testers.

Openrc being so central to Gentoo, may I suggest a bigger campaign, on
planet gnome and other outlets?

Cheers,

Rémi

Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc-0.8.1 stable candidate

[Marijn]

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On 04/13/11 08:52, Rémi Cardona wrote:
> Le 12/04/2011 16:56, William Hubbs a écrit :
>> All,
>>
>> at long last, we have an openrc stable candidate.
> 
> Thanks to all of you who worked on this over the years, your efforts are
> _really_ appreciated.
> 
>> This means we need more testers.
> 
> Openrc being so central to Gentoo, may I suggest a bigger campaign, on
> planet gnome and other outlets?

I would be very interested in seeing some kind of list/review of all the
advantages of the new system. Idea for the Newsletter?

Marijn


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Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc-0.8.1 stable candidate

[Donnie Berkholz]

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On 13:44 Wed 13 Apr     , Marijn wrote:
> I would be very interested in seeing some kind of list/review of all 
> the advantages of the new system. Idea for the Newsletter?

We should certainly get a news item together, since this is a huge deal 
for Gentoo. Although no doubt non-Gentoo people will start laughing at 
yet another "new" init system. =)

If there's a guide around already, or a blog post, or you want to draft 
something, let me know and I'd be happy to polish it up.

-- 
Thanks,
Donnie

Donnie Berkholz
Sr. Developer, Gentoo Linux
Blog: http://dberkholz.com

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Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc-0.8.1 stable candidate

[Alex Alexander]

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On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 07:00:44AM -0500, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> On 13:44 Wed 13 Apr     , Marijn wrote:
> > I would be very interested in seeing some kind of list/review of all 
> > the advantages of the new system. Idea for the Newsletter?
> 
> We should certainly get a news item together, since this is a huge deal 
> for Gentoo. Although no doubt non-Gentoo people will start laughing at 
> yet another "new" init system. =)

There's a simple solution for that, we just have to include:

26 Mar 2008; Doug Goldstein <cardoe@gentoo.org>
-openrc-0.2_pre20080326.ebuild, +openrc-0.2.ebuild:
add OpenRC 0.2 

25 Mar 2008; Doug Goldstein <cardoe@gentoo.org>
+openrc-0.2_pre20080325.ebuild:
add OpenRC 0.2 pre-release

23 Mar 2008; Mike Frysinger <vapier@gentoo.org> +metadata.xml,
+openrc-9999.ebuild:
Initial ebuild #212696.

:)

> If there's a guide around already, or a blog post, or you want to draft 
> something, let me know and I'd be happy to polish it up.
> 
> -- 
> Thanks,
> Donnie
> 
> Donnie Berkholz
> Sr. Developer, Gentoo Linux
> Blog: http://dberkholz.com

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Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc-0.8.1 stable candidate

[Jeroen Roovers]

On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 07:00:44 -0500
Donnie Berkholz <dberkholz@gentoo.org> wrote:

> On 13:44 Wed 13 Apr     , Marijn wrote:
> > I would be very interested in seeing some kind of list/review of
> > all the advantages of the new system. Idea for the Newsletter?
> 
> We should certainly get a news item together, since this is a huge

Is that a news item or a newsletter item?

> deal for Gentoo. Although no doubt non-Gentoo people will start
> laughing at yet another "new" init system. =)

1) It's a couple of years old now. :)
2) Having used it all that time on some systems, I don't see that many
   superficial changes, or for that matter, deviations from the old init
   system. I would rather think baselayout-2/openrc simply extends and
   improves on baselayout-1.


     jer

Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc-0.8.1 stable candidate

[William Hubbs]

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On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 07:00:44AM -0500, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> We should certainly get a news item together, since this is a huge deal 
> for Gentoo. Although no doubt non-Gentoo people will start laughing at 
> yet another "new" init system. =)

Openrc is not just a gentoo init system; I know that at least
Alpine Linux [1] also uses it.

William

[1] http://www.alpinelinux.org


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[gentoo-dev] Re: openrc-0.8.1 stable candidate

[Duncan]

William Hubbs posted on Wed, 13 Apr 2011 11:49:36 -0500 as excerpted:

> Openrc is not just a gentoo init system; I know that at least Alpine
> Linux [1] also uses it.
> 
> William
> 
> [1] http://www.alpinelinux.org

Thanks for the specific mention.  I've seen "non-gentoo users" mentioned a 
couple times in bugs, etc, but had no clue who that might be.  Now there's 
at least some idea.

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[gentoo-dev] Re: openrc-0.8.1 stable candidate

[Duncan]

Jeroen Roovers posted on Wed, 13 Apr 2011 18:43:27 +0200 as excerpted:

> 1) It's a couple of years old now. :)
> 2) Having used it all that time on some systems, I don't see that many
>    superficial changes, or for that matter, deviations from the old init
>    system. I would rather think baselayout-2/openrc simply extends and
>    improves on baselayout-1.

Having used and watched the new version evolve, I agree, to a point.  Yes 
it's an extension of the old.  But like that old tale of the frog in the 
boiling water, I think more has changed than we may realize at first.

Or another way to put it:  If it's so close to the old version, there 
should be little protest in going back.  But I know at least personally, 
I've *NO* interest in doing that!

For one thing, /real/ parallel boot makes quite a difference!  For 
another, I remember baselayout-1's lack of real dependency based ordering 
in early-boot, with the arbitrary ordered list of early-start services as 
a substitute since it couldn't manage dependencies at that level.

But that said, it's a definite extension of the ideas found in 
baselayout-1, indeed.  Stable Gentooers should find much they already know 
in the new system.  It's certainly not the change that switching to 
systemd, for example, would be.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc-0.8.1 stable candidate

[Mike Frysinger]

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On Wednesday, April 13, 2011 08:00:44 Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> On 13:44 Wed 13 Apr     , Marijn wrote:
> > I would be very interested in seeing some kind of list/review of all
> > the advantages of the new system. Idea for the Newsletter?
> 
> We should certainly get a news item together, since this is a huge deal
> for Gentoo. Although no doubt non-Gentoo people will start laughing at
> yet another "new" init system. =)

also, we're still sitting on top of classical sysvinit, so i'm not sure openrc 
technically qualifies as an "init" system.  certainly not a "full" one.
-mike

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Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc-0.8.1 stable candidate

[William Hubbs]

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On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 03:54:24PM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> also, we're still sitting on top of classical sysvinit, so i'm not sure openrc 
> technically qualifies as an "init" system.  certainly not a "full" one.

That's true. Openrc is not really a full init system. It is a set of
init scripts, with a large part of its functionality written in c
instead of using shell scripts.

In light of this, I have s/init system/init scripts/ in the news item. I
will wait a few days and send it out again after I encorporate any other
changes that come from the list.

William


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Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc-0.8.1 stable candidate

[William Hubbs]

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ll,

there was a regression in 0.8.1, so 0.8.2 is now the stable candidate.

I propose thatsince the differences between 0.8.1 and 0.8.2 are very
small, we should keep the news item date and stabilization date from my
original announcement.

- news item release on 5/1
- stabilization on 5/8.

William


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[gentoo-dev] Re: openrc-0.8.1 stable candidate

[Duncan]

William Hubbs posted on Sat, 16 Apr 2011 11:05:19 -0500 as excerpted:

> there was a regression in 0.8.1, so 0.8.2 is now the stable candidate.
> 
> I propose thatsince the differences between 0.8.1 and 0.8.2 are very
> small, we should keep the news item date and stabilization date from my
> original announcement.
> 
> - news item release on 5/1 - stabilization on 5/8.

How are docs doing?  Is there a sample handbook update yet?  I've not seen 
much action on that bug, but that doesn't mean it's not happening behind 
the scenes.  Still, lack of news from that front has me worried.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc-0.8.1 stable candidate

[Marijn]

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On 04/16/11 18:05, William Hubbs wrote:
> ll,
> 
> there was a regression in 0.8.1, so 0.8.2 is now the stable candidate.
> 
> I propose thatsince the differences between 0.8.1 and 0.8.2 are very
> small, we should keep the news item date and stabilization date from my
> original announcement.
> 
> - news item release on 5/1
> - stabilization on 5/8.

Please, to avoid confusion, use month names instead of numbers or
include the year so people don't have to deduce the ordering.

Marijn
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Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc-0.8.1 stable candidate

[Philip Webb]

110418 Marijn wrote:
> On 04/16/11 18:05, William Hubbs wrote:
>> - news item release on 5/1
>> - stabilization on 5/8.
> Please, to avoid confusion, use month names instead of numbers
> or include the year so people don't have to deduce the ordering.

Seconded.  In fact,
has Gentoo not adopted the international standard date format ?
It is  yyyy-mm-dd  & sb used for all docs & discussions.  So here it wb

  news item release 2011-05-01
  stabilization 2011-05-08

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Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc-0.8.1 stable candidate

[William Hubbs]

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All,
 
The openrc stable candidate is now openrc-0.8.2-r1.

The changes between it and the previous stable candidates are small, so
the news item date and stable request date are still 2011/05/01 and 2011/05/08
respectively.

The more important part of this test is that we need some users to
migrate from baselayout-1 to openrc-0.8.2-r1 and be sure that is
successful.

As usual, let me know if there are any issues.

William


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Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc-0.8.1 stable candidate

[Dale]

William Hubbs wrote:
> All,
>
> The openrc stable candidate is now openrc-0.8.2-r1.
>
> The changes between it and the previous stable candidates are small, so
> the news item date and stable request date are still 2011/05/01 and 2011/05/08
> respectively.
>
> The more important part of this test is that we need some users to
> migrate from baselayout-1 to openrc-0.8.2-r1 and be sure that is
> successful.
>
> As usual, let me know if there are any issues.
>
> William
>
>    

I'm willing to test.  Is it as simple the news item says?  If there is a 
problem, can I simply go back to baselayout 1?

I'm amd64 by the way.  I also have a older x86 machine if that would 
help any.

Let me know.

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc-0.8.1 stable candidate

[Dirkjan Ochtman]

On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 09:22, William Hubbs <williamh@gentoo.org> wrote:
> The more important part of this test is that we need some users to
> migrate from baselayout-1 to openrc-0.8.2-r1 and be sure that is
> successful.

I migrated a mostly-stable (so baselayout-1) amd64 server to
baselayout-2.0.2 with openrc-0.8.2-r1 (both stabilized through
packages.keywords), used etc-update and followed through the upgrade
guide. The reboot went without a hitch (etc-update was also quite
painless). Thanks for working on this, looking forward to getting this
everywhere!

Cheers,

Dirkjan