From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1QAI76-0007mr-Bb for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 14 Apr 2011 08:41:20 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4301C1C099; Thu, 14 Apr 2011 08:41:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 650A91C08E for ; Thu, 14 Apr 2011 08:40:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82AEE1B4157 for ; Thu, 14 Apr 2011 08:40:36 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new using ClamAV at gentoo.org X-Spam-Score: -2.524 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.524 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=0.075, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XggChSK-u0tX for ; Thu, 14 Apr 2011 08:40:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A0F11B4153 for ; Thu, 14 Apr 2011 08:40:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QAI6D-00084T-JD for gentoo-dev@gentoo.org; Thu, 14 Apr 2011 10:40:25 +0200 Received: from ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.231.22.224]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 14 Apr 2011 10:40:25 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 14 Apr 2011 10:40:25 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org From: Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: openrc portage news item Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 08:40:15 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <20110413181538.GA2894@linux1> <20110413195647.GA3116@linux1> <4DA68664.8090104@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: Pan/0.134 (Wait for Me; GIT 9383aac branch-testing) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: daa7e210063c368930371ec4677de5fa Dirkjan Ochtman posted on Thu, 14 Apr 2011 09:21:48 +0200 as excerpted: > On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 07:30, justin wrote: >> To me, it doesn't makes it totally clear that you screw everything whe= n >> rebooting before following the guide. Perhaps this should be made much >> clearer. >=20 > Huh? >=20 > "After you install these packages, please do not reboot your system > until you follow the upgrade guide located at > http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/openrc-migration.xml. >=20 > It is important that you follow the guide as soon as possible after > these packages are upgraded. Otherwise, there is a chance that your > system will not reboot properly." >=20 > Seem quite clear to me. >From my read, while it does actually say it's important, the politeness=20 with which it does so don't well convey the true importance and urgency o= f=20 the situation. If there's a fire, you don't say "Please, excuse me for interrupting, but= =20 there's a fire and at your convenience, please make your way to the=20 exit." Rather, it's "*FIRE*! Please STAY CALM. WALK DON'T RUN. The=20 exit is OVER THERE. Make your way to it IMMEDIATELY!" So more along the lines of: """ After installing these packages, please DO NOT REBOOT until you follow the upgrade guide located at http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/openrc-migration.xml. If you do not follow the guide as soon as possible after these packages are upgraded and you reboot or crash without doing so, the system will likely fail to boot properly, and you may be looking at some time in manual recovery mode to fix it. """ Yes, the DO NOT REBOOT is shouting, not exactly polite, but that's arguably what's called for in this situation. --=20 Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman