From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from <gentoo-dev+bounces-42002-garchives=archives.gentoo.org@lists.gentoo.org>) id 1OdfSw-0001zB-C5 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 27 Jul 2010 08:24:46 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 453D8E0948; Tue, 27 Jul 2010 08:24:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02E2AE08FE for <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>; Tue, 27 Jul 2010 08:24:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A91091B4213 for <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>; Tue, 27 Jul 2010 08:24:16 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at gentoo.org X-Spam-Score: -2.523 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.523 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=0.076, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7H9EWTQ+sxYP for <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>; Tue, 27 Jul 2010 08:24:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68C701B41E1 for <gentoo-dev@gentoo.org>; Tue, 27 Jul 2010 08:24:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from <lnx-gentoo-dev@m.gmane.org>) id 1OdfSF-0006Jz-7p for gentoo-dev@gentoo.org; Tue, 27 Jul 2010 10:24:03 +0200 Received: from ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.231.22.224]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for <gentoo-dev@gentoo.org>; Tue, 27 Jul 2010 10:24:03 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for <gentoo-dev@gentoo.org>; Tue, 27 Jul 2010 10:24:03 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org From: Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: News item announcing as-needed (glep 42 stuff) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 08:23:55 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <pan.2010.07.27.08.23.55@cox.net> References: <4C4DF012.80209@gentoo.org> <4C4DF3B4.1030408@gentoo.org> <20100726172716.6daf94c9@angelstorm> Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-dev+help@lists.gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev+unsubscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev+subscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-dev.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: Pan/0.133 (House of Butterflies; GIT a971f44 branch-testing) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: ab5ab3ba-5cb6-44e9-a542-38ada70e8a03 X-Archives-Hash: 139f915b7c0c5b3cc655ba6392610488 Joshua Saddler posted on Mon, 26 Jul 2010 17:27:16 -0700 as excerpted: > It should be unset; as you say, users should not be screwing with > system-wide LDFLAGs, as we don't support anything but the defaults. >=20 > I put an LDFLAGs FAQ in the optimization guide a long time ago: >=20 > section> > <title>What about LDFLAGS?</title> > <body> >=20 > <p> > The Gentoo developers have already set basic, safe LDFLAGS in the base > profiles, so you don't need to change them. </p> >=20 > </body> > </section I agree with the safe bit, but that "don't need to change them" phrase is= =20 self-evidently false, or Gentoo wouldn't have needed to make the --as-needed change either. The change didn't magically happen the moment= =20 the need appeared. (Then again, I never believed that equally self-evidently false "no user=20 serviceable parts inside" sticker, either. When it's a few screws and a=20 50 cent fuse, and I'm the user without a microwave as a result...) --=20 Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman