From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1OR0Jh-0003p6-66 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 22 Jun 2010 10:02:54 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4E7E8E0AC0; Tue, 22 Jun 2010 10:02:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BC92E09D5 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2010 10:02:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55E851B4092 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2010 10:02:36 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at gentoo.org X-Spam-Score: -1.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.601 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=-0.861, BAYES_20=-0.74] Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id INalYrfTX6aF for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2010 10:02:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A02D01B4009 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2010 10:02:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OR0JC-0004t5-Mj for gentoo-dev@gentoo.org; Tue, 22 Jun 2010 12:02:22 +0200 Received: from ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.231.22.224]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2010 12:02:22 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2010 12:02:22 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org From: Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: Council manifesto of sping Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 10:02:12 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <1276977363.2635.0@NeddySeagoon> <4C1F9460.2020803@gentoo.org> <4C1FDB72.3020609@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: Pan/0.133 (House of Butterflies; GIT a971f44 branch-testing) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: e87325de-131c-43b6-a08b-dabba542bb45 X-Archives-Hash: 9017b9a8bfc2d23e717d5966cd5870d0 Arun Raghavan posted on Tue, 22 Jun 2010 10:43:42 +0530 as excerpted: > b) For questions like "- Should Python 3.x be stable?", isn't that for > team leads to decide? And for the council to resolve in case of > conflicts? Wouldn't the point for specifically pointing out python 3.x as an example= ,=20 that there is in fact quite some conflict on it, as demonstrated by the=20 threads discussing it right here? If I'm not mistaken, sping has in fact= =20 mentioned that as an example in his "tone" thread, as well. If I read hi= m=20 correctly, the implication is that before it got to the level it did,=20 council should have voted on it, thus providing a final answer, as an=20 alternative to the simmering level of discontent that's not quite at the=20 boiling over point, that we seem to have with the situation now. He does= ,=20 after all, make a strong statement in favor of an "activist" council. > c) For questions like "- Should developer X be banned?", would you be > willing to do this if it meant a lot of washing of dirty linen in > public, or protracted flamewars (and other reasons why we have a bunch > of level-headed people in place to deal with this calmly and quietly)? > If no, where would you draw the line? If yes, how would you deal with > the fallout? Leaving the question of public or not aside (I've mixed thoughts on that)= ,=20 if it /is/ to be public, a list other than -dev is IMO a must. I'd also=20 suggest that it be moderated for non-devs, with a moderator alias to whic= h=20 users can write, with any mod-alias-subscribed dev having the authority t= o=20 forward to the list. A specific mod can volunteer/be-assigned so there's= =20 "someone at home", with the understanding that other devs may subscribe t= o=20 the mod alias and forward if they wish. This is based on experience with the council list, which is public but=20 read-only (as I think is appropriate) on gmane. Occasionally, I've=20 replied to individual authors, but a moderator alias would be useful ther= e=20 as well. If no one on the mod alias then believes my post (and those of=20 other users) worth forwarding to the list, so be it. --=20 Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman