From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NncS1-0004bI-Qr for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 05 Mar 2010 18:40:42 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6DE88E0ABF; Fri, 5 Mar 2010 18:40:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09562E0AA1 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 2010 18:40:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 961551B401F for ; Fri, 5 Mar 2010 18:40:33 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at gentoo.org X-Spam-Score: -2.556 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.556 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=0.043, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gAyqTxI12wbw for ; Fri, 5 Mar 2010 18:40:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0E9C1B4043 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 2010 18:40:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NncRd-0004Fw-9P for gentoo-dev@gentoo.org; Fri, 05 Mar 2010 19:40:17 +0100 Received: from ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.231.22.224]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 05 Mar 2010 19:40:17 +0100 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 05 Mar 2010 19:40:17 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org connect(): Connection refused From: Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: Deprecation of python_version(), python_mod_exists(), python_tkinter_exists(), distutils_python_version() and distutils_python_tkinter() in EAPI <=2 Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 18:40:03 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <201003021927.18379.Arfrever@gentoo.org> <4B8E0747.4050008@gentoo.org> <20100303015253.7930de6f@gentoo.org> <4B8E2229.3010408@gentoo.org> <20100303124741.53f4b82c@snowcone> <4B8E8438.9000405@gentoo.org> <1267782863.8344.9.camel@lillen> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: Pan/0.133 (House of Butterflies) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 4c9f7107-9ec0-4786-893b-54816187fb3d X-Archives-Hash: 5e7ee627aa21afa24951cdb932df73cd Peter Hjalmarsson posted on Fri, 05 Mar 2010 10:54:23 +0100 as excerpted: > I have start to question why should we care about overlays more then th= e > actual portage tree? >=20 > Take for example the kernel or Xorg. > They give themselves a period of time to clean up their own code (i.e. > kernel-modules, xorg-drivers) and then they release it as stable and > tell users/distributors to upgrade. > They do not wait for nVidia/AMD/other out-of-tree drivers/modules to > catch up. >=20 > Now if we say we have someone managing an overlay, and this person do > miss this warning/die for half an year, then I would say they have nott > done their homework and they are on their own. I do not see why we > should wait unreasonable long periods of time because there may be > someone broken somewhere. While I didn't mention overlays in my earlier reply, that's exactly why I= =20 proposed four months each in warning and die, before removal altogether. = =20 That gives the once-per-quarter updaters a bit of extra time to catch it=20 at each stage, and if they've not done so by four or even eight months=20 out... waiting a full year, or two, or three... isn't necessarily going t= o=20 help matters much. Besides, if they're /that/ far behind the main tree, what sort of overlay= =20 maintainer are they anyway? Hardly one that should be basing on Gentoo,=20 which has always been a "rolling" distribution. --=20 Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman