From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NnElt-0008Ax-T6 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 04 Mar 2010 17:23:38 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E1192E119A; Thu, 4 Mar 2010 17:23:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6439E118C for ; Thu, 4 Mar 2010 17:23:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86F171B4059 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 2010 17:23:21 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at gentoo.org X-Spam-Score: -2.556 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.556 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=0.043, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fvW9SUm-masS for ; Thu, 4 Mar 2010 17:23:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF49C1B4078 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 2010 17:23:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NnElP-0008Sz-57 for gentoo-dev@gentoo.org; Thu, 04 Mar 2010 18:23:07 +0100 Received: from ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.231.22.224]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 04 Mar 2010 18:23:07 +0100 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 04 Mar 2010 18:23:07 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org From: Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: Split desktop profile patches & news item for review Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 17:22:50 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <201003041652.56521.tampakrap@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: Pan/0.133 (House of Butterflies) Cc: gentoo-desktop@lists.gentoo.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 9454fd2a-3308-4efb-a43f-8d811ac9da5b X-Archives-Hash: 1ff3e0ee2d0533d378ad9c594b7cfced Theo Chatzimichos posted on Thu, 04 Mar 2010 16:52:50 +0200 as excerpted: > For example, I don't really like the > firefox flag in kde, and I'd suggest a -firefox (ugly, I know) in kde's > make.defaults That's not particularly practical, unfortunately. konqueror seems to be=20 dropping behind, doesn't have proper ssl/certificate management support=20 with 4.x, and in general is getting less and less useful as a general=20 purpose browser, and there's simply no way to keep up with the community=20 development power of its extensions even if kde wanted to. Pretty much=20 everyone (including kde devs, based on remarks on the kde lists and=20 planet) seems to use firefox for at least some of their browsing these=20 days. Someday, the webkit based rekonq is likely to take over from konqueror,=20 but upstream says it's not yet mature enough for that. Others use chrome= =20 or chromium, or icecat, or something else. But firefox really does tend=20 to be the cross-DE default, at least to the point that I believe that=20 defaulting to USE=3D-firefox in the kde profiles would be a mistake. Som= e=20 of us would like nothing better than to be able to remove both it and wit= h=20 it gtk, but reality is, that's not going to be a useful default for some=20 time, and given that, IMO, full optional but default-on support for it in= =20 the KDE desktop profiles via USE flags should be maintained. --=20 Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman