From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NZaux-0004wh-5i for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 02:12:35 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C059BE0D46 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 02:12:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DA72E0986 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 01:27:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1961A67D3A for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 01:27:35 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at gentoo.org X-Spam-Score: -2.555 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.555 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=0.044, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZR4Hw9EkVqR4 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 01:27:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDD1167FA1 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 01:27:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1NZaD9-0001Z6-7q for gentoo-dev@gentoo.org; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 02:27:19 +0100 Received: from ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.231.22.224]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 02:27:19 +0100 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 02:27:19 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org From: Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: emerge -C eselect-python disaster Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 01:26:53 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <20100124061239.182027axa254v2kn@mail.junc.org> <4B5C2A0F.5080202@gentoo.org> <4B5C7B14.2060902@gentoo.org> <4B5CAB65.30408@gentoo.org> <4B5CDFB3.3010108@gmail.com> <2e0007041001241753v3d24abcanc4a82800d33bb0f4@mail.gmail.com> <4B5D01D0.8070800@gmail.com> <4B5D63BA.1000506@gentoo.org> <4B5D7A3F.20003@gmail.com> <4B5D80C5.8050609@gentoo.org> <4B5D8156.4010507@gentoo.org> <4B5DC16E.6090200@gmail.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: Pan/0.133 (House of Butterflies) Sender: news Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 54c55cf9-0ae3-4912-888f-8059e725b9aa X-Archives-Hash: 76a54af1b566f53dbea46bf25f167b27 Dale posted on Mon, 25 Jan 2010 10:06:06 -0600 as excerpted: > I am subscribed to -user as well. I been using Gentoo since the 1.4 > days. This is about improving portage which is a good thing to talk > about here. The devs do it, not the user. ;-) Also, I already know > how to use portage pretty good. I'm not asking for support just trying > to improve things. Do note that there's a portage-specific list as well. IDR what the name=20 is but on gmane (where I follow it) it's the=20 gmane.linux.gentoo.portage.devel newsgroup. It's not a user list either,= =20 but they're reasonably friendly and it wouldn't be bothering the non- portage devs that way. As for this, I say let it be (except for possibly making -C output a=20 bigger warning in general). The documentation is pretty clear, and Gento= o=20 never has been about hand-holding. If a user can't read the documentatio= n=20 and thus asks to screw themselves, Gentoo provides the tools to do it --=20 and they're POWER tools, too! =3D:^) I don't see that changing and don't= =20 believe it should. There's other distributions out there for users who=20 want or need a namby-pamby baby-sat hand-held version. Gentoo is not and=20 never has been the right choice for them, and I don't believe we should b= e=20 trying to make it so. (That said, a warning on -C similar to that on -c,= =20 might be wise, but that's an implementation detail the discussion of whic= h=20 doesn't belong here.) --=20 Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman