[gentoo-dev] KDE3 deprecation news item. [ the GLEP 42 based variant ]

[gentoo-dev] KDE3 deprecation news item. [ the GLEP 42 based variant ]

[Tomáš Chvátal]

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Hi,
since we are kinda deprecating kde3 and removing support where it clashes with 
newly stabled kde4 it deserves massive anouncements to users.

For first we have prepared the front-page thingie (as we already discussed over 
mails internaly) and for second we should have GLEP 42 news item ready too.

Samuli was so kind to write up one based on the frontpage item so please read 
it and suggest improvements if required.

Cheers

Tomas


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Title: KDE3 will be masked and removed from portage
Author: Samuli Suominen <ssuominen@gentoo.org>
Content-Type: text/plain
Posted: 2009-10-29
Revision: 1
News-Item-Format: 1.0
Display-If-Installed: <kde-base/kdelibs-4

Please turn your KDE radio on, and make sure to turn the volume to its maximum
level for this important message.

After multiple setbacks we have finally managed to stabilise KDE4 on both
major desktop architectures (amd64 and x86), where other teams are to follow.

This means that those of you who still use KDE3 should start considering an
upgrade right away, due to various reasons. [1]

The KDE3 support is being dropped with immediate effect. This means that
ebuilds are dropping KDE3 support where they were broken, or clashing with
KDE4.

If you wish to still use KDE3, and you want to help others with having KDE3
around, drop a mail to kde@gentoo.org, where we can give you commit access to
the special overlay which will specifically contain only KDE3 packages. [2]

Sadly upstream is not supporting KDE3 anymore and we simply lack the manpower
to keep support for both (as you might have noticed in the past few months
KDE3 has become more and more rusty for which we humbly apologize).

Sorry to bring you the bad news and with hope that KDE4 will suit your needs,

Tomas Chvatal
KDE Teams substituting Lead

[1] - http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-desktop/msg_a3e260bd0545cb4e763c81bc60f81de2.xml
[2] - http://git.overlays.gentoo.org/gitweb/?p=proj/kde-sunset.git

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Re: [gentoo-dev] KDE3 deprecation news item. [ the GLEP 42 based variant ]

[Ulrich Mueller]

>>>>> On Fri, 30 Oct 2009, Tomáš Chvátal wrote:

> Title: KDE3 will be masked and removed from portage
> Author: Samuli Suominen <ssuominen@gentoo.org>

Maybe add your self as author? Multiple "Author" fields are allowed.
(And yes, UTF-8 in header fields is allowed, too. ;-)

> Content-Type: text/plain
> Posted: 2009-10-29
> Revision: 1
> News-Item-Format: 1.0
> Display-If-Installed: <kde-base/kdelibs-4

> Please turn your KDE radio on, and make sure to turn the volume to its maximum
> level for this important message.

Please wrap lines at 72 characters, which is the standard for news
items.

> After multiple setbacks we have finally managed to stabilise KDE4 on both
> major desktop architectures (amd64 and x86), where other teams are to follow.

> This means that those of you who still use KDE3 should start considering an
> upgrade right away, due to various reasons. [1]

> The KDE3 support is being dropped with immediate effect. This means that
> ebuilds are dropping KDE3 support where they were broken, or clashing with
> KDE4.

> If you wish to still use KDE3, and you want to help others with having KDE3
> around, drop a mail to kde@gentoo.org, where we can give you commit access to
> the special overlay which will specifically contain only KDE3 packages. [2]

I think this paragraph shouldn't be included in a news item that
concerns primarily the main Portage tree. IMHO at least the part about
commit access should be left out.

> Sadly upstream is not supporting KDE3 anymore and we simply lack the manpower
> to keep support for both (as you might have noticed in the past few months
> KDE3 has become more and more rusty for which we humbly apologize).

> Sorry to bring you the bad news and with hope that KDE4 will suit your needs,

> Tomas Chvatal
> KDE Teams substituting Lead

Omit the signature. I think it's not formally forbidden, but neither
the example in GLEP 42 nor any of the news items so far had one.

Ulrich

Re: [gentoo-dev] KDE3 deprecation news item. [ the GLEP 42 based variant ]

[Tomáš Chvátal]

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Ulrich Mueller wrote:
> >>>>> On Fri, 30 Oct 2009, Tomáš Chvátal wrote:
> >
> > Title: KDE3 will be masked and removed from portage
> > Author: Samuli Suominen <ssuominen@gentoo.org>
> 
> Maybe add your self as author? Multiple "Author" fields are allowed.
> (And yes, UTF-8 in header fields is allowed, too. ;-)
> 
Multiplied
> > Content-Type: text/plain
> > Posted: 2009-10-29
> > Revision: 1
> > News-Item-Format: 1.0
> > Display-If-Installed: <kde-base/kdelibs-4
> >
> > Please turn your KDE radio on, and make sure to turn the volume to its
> > maximum level for this important message.
> 
> Please wrap lines at 72 characters, which is the standard for news
> items.
Wrapped
> 
> > After multiple setbacks we have finally managed to stabilise KDE4 on both
> > major desktop architectures (amd64 and x86), where other teams are to
> > follow.
> >
> > This means that those of you who still use KDE3 should start considering
> > an upgrade right away, due to various reasons. [1]
> >
> > The KDE3 support is being dropped with immediate effect. This means that
> > ebuilds are dropping KDE3 support where they were broken, or clashing
> > with KDE4.
> >
> > If you wish to still use KDE3, and you want to help others with having
> > KDE3 around, drop a mail to kde@gentoo.org, where we can give you commit
> > access to the special overlay which will specifically contain only KDE3
> > packages. [2]
> 
> I think this paragraph shouldn't be included in a news item that
> concerns primarily the main Portage tree. IMHO at least the part about
> commit access should be left out.
Rephrased.
> 
> > Sadly upstream is not supporting KDE3 anymore and we simply lack the
> > manpower to keep support for both (as you might have noticed in the past
> > few months KDE3 has become more and more rusty for which we humbly
> > apologize).
> >
> > Sorry to bring you the bad news and with hope that KDE4 will suit your
> > needs,
> >
> > Tomas Chvatal
> > KDE Teams substituting Lead
> 
> Omit the signature. I think it's not formally forbidden, but neither
> the example in GLEP 42 nor any of the news items so far had one.
> 
Dropped
> Ulrich
> , 

Thanks for help :]

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Title: KDE3 will be masked and removed from portage
Author: Samuli Suominen <ssuominen@gentoo.org>
Author: Tomáš Chvátal <scarabeus@gentoo.org>
Content-Type: text/plain
Posted: 2009-10-29
Revision: 1
News-Item-Format: 1.0
Display-If-Installed: <kde-base/kdelibs-4

Please turn your KDE radio on, and make sure to turn the volume to its
maximum level for this important message.

After multiple setbacks we have finally managed to stabilise KDE4 on
both major desktop architectures (amd64 and x86), where other teams are
to follow.

This means that those of you who still use KDE3 should start
considering an upgrade right away, due to various reasons. [1]

The KDE3 support is being dropped with immediate effect. This means
that ebuilds are dropping KDE3 support where they were broken, or
clashing with KDE4.

Kde packages are moved to special overlay named as kde3 in layman.
Note that this overlay is going to be user maintained and not developer
reviewed. [2]

Sadly upstream is not supporting KDE3 anymore and we simply lack the
manpower to keep support for both (as you might have noticed in the
past few months KDE3 has become more and more rusty for which we humbly
apologize).

[1] - http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-desktop/msg_a3e260bd0545cb4e763c81bc60f81de2.xml
[2] - http://git.overlays.gentoo.org/gitweb/?p=proj/kde-sunset.git

Re: [gentoo-dev] KDE3 deprecation news item. [ the GLEP 42 based variant ]

[Petteri Räty]

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Tomáš Chvátal wrote:

> Please turn your KDE radio on, and make sure to turn the volume to its maximum
> level for this important message.

When I am reading the news item I have already actively done it with
eselect news so I think it should be better to just start with the
actual content.

Regards,
Petteri


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[gentoo-dev] Re: KDE3 deprecation news item. [ the GLEP 42 based variant ]

[Duncan]

Tomáš Chvátal posted on Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:13:49 +0100 as excerpted:

> Thanks for help :]

It sounds a bit too chatty/informal for a news item to me.  Also, a few 
phrases look unusual to my native English eye.  Suggestions included, 
YMMV as they say.

> Title: KDE3 will be masked and removed from portage

s/will be/to be/

KDE3 to be masked... looks more "proper".

> Author: Samuli Suominen <ssuominen@gentoo.org>
> Author: Tomáš Chvátal <scarabeus@gentoo.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain
> Posted: 2009-10-29
> Revision: 1
> News-Item-Format: 1.0
> Display-If-Installed: <kde-base/kdelibs-4
> 
> Please turn your KDE radio on, and make sure to turn the volume to its
> maximum level for this important message.

I'd cut that.  It's appropriate for the front-page, but consider, by the 
time they read it as a news item, they will have seen the warning from 
their PM, and will already have "turned their radio on" so to speak.  So 
it seems strange for a news item.  At least to me.

> After multiple setbacks we have finally managed to stabilise KDE4 on
> both major desktop architectures (amd64 and x86), where other teams are
> to follow.

... with other teams to follow.

> This means that those of you who still use KDE3 should start considering
> an upgrade right away, due to various reasons. [1]

Initial thought was s/due to/for/, but that still doesn't sound right.  I 
believe it's because "This means" indicates that the reasons have already 
been outlined, so the "due to various reasons" just doesn't fit.  "This 
means" is also repeated just below, so how about removing it here, like 
so?

For this and other reasons as discussed at [1], those of you who still 
use KDE3 should be considering an upgrade in the near future.

> The KDE3 support is being dropped with immediate effect. This means that
> ebuilds are dropping KDE3 support where they were broken, or clashing
> with KDE4.

Effective immediately, KDE3 support is being dropped.  This means that 
KDE3 ebuilds that clash with KDE4 or are broken are being removed.

> Kde packages are moved to special overlay named as kde3 in layman. Note
> that this overlay is going to be user maintained and not developer
> reviewed. [2]

Based on a previous comment, I believe it's unbroken packages being 
moved.  Broken ones are being simply dropped.  Does that need stated or 
has that changed?  Splitting that first sentence in half seems clearer to 
me as well, and I change the wording of the second sentence slightly, as 
well.  So:

Unbroken KDE3 packages will be moved to a special overlay named kde3.  
This can be found in layman.  Note that this overlay is going to be user 
maintained and will not be developer reviewed. [2]

You may wish to emphasize that last warning in caps (or not)...

... WILL NOT BE DEVELOPER REVIEWED.

[The rest looks fine to me.]

Thus, all the changes together without the commentary (add the apology at 
the end, which I omit here for space).  Again, YMMV, feel free to take 
what you like and reject the rest, or just reject all of it, for that 
matter.

------

Title: KDE3 will be masked and removed from portage

[other headers unchanged, omit the radio on line]

After multiple setbacks we have finally managed to stabilise KDE4 on
both major desktop architectures (amd64 and x86), with other teams to 
follow.

For this and other reasons as discussed at [1], those of you who still 
use KDE3 should be considering an upgrade in the near future.

Effective immediately, KDE3 support is being dropped.  This means that 
KDE3 ebuilds that clash with KDE4 or are broken are being removed.

Unbroken KDE3 packages will be moved to a special overlay named kde3.  
This can be found in layman.  Note that this overlay is going to be user 
maintained and WILL NOT BE DEVELOPER REVIEWED. [2]

[rusty/apology and refs as-is]

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Re: [gentoo-dev] KDE3 deprecation news item. [ the GLEP 42 based variant ]

[Philip Webb]

091030 Tomáš Chvátal wrote re:
> Title: KDE3 will be masked and removed from portage

Can someone explain -- or point to the relevant docs which explain --
how to use the KDE 3 overlay ?  Perhaps this sb in the news announcement.

I've successfully installed most of KDE 4.3.1 ,
but without the desktop stuff, for which I have adopted Fluxbox.
I still have remnants of KDE 3.5.10 (details from my personal pkg list):

  W 090501 kde-base/kdeartwork-kworldclock-3.5.10 
    090606 kde-base/kdelibs-3.5.10-r6 [ 16 min ]
  W 080924 kde-base/kmahjongg-3.5.10
  W 080924 kde-base/ksokoban-3.5.10
  W 090501 kde-base/kworldclock-3.5.10
    080924 kde-base/libkdegames-3.5.10 [for kmahjongg etc]

Kmahjongg 4 lacks the removed-tiles display (it's promised);
Ksokoban hasn't been ported to KDE 4 (someone's working on it);
Kworldclock shows local times around the globe,
which Marble should show, but doesn't (yet?).
Everything still works & nothing (3 & 4) interferes with anything else.

Hopefully, it won't be difficult for users to keep KDE 3 items
as long as they need them & don't cause any other problems.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: KDE3 deprecation news item. [ the GLEP 42 based variant ]

[Tomáš Chvátal]

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Duncan wrote:
... lots of the text trimmed ...
> Title: KDE3 will be masked and removed from portage
> 
> [other headers unchanged, omit the radio on line]
> 
> After multiple setbacks we have finally managed to stabilise KDE4 on
> both major desktop architectures (amd64 and x86), with other teams to
> follow.
> 
> For this and other reasons as discussed at [1], those of you who still
> use KDE3 should be considering an upgrade in the near future.
> 
> Effective immediately, KDE3 support is being dropped.  This means that
> KDE3 ebuilds that clash with KDE4 or are broken are being removed.
> 
> Unbroken KDE3 packages will be moved to a special overlay named kde3.
> This can be found in layman.  Note that this overlay is going to be user
> maintained and WILL NOT BE DEVELOPER REVIEWED. [2]
> 
> [rusty/apology and refs as-is]
> 
> -------
> , 
... some text trimmed ...

Duncan thanks for hints and updates. I incorporated them and hopefully now the 
news item is really nice :]

I also updated accordingly the gnk3.xml to match it :]

Cheers

Tomas

PS: i often complain that it is hell to chew through your mails because they 
are so damn long, but this time it was definitely worth the time :] Seriously 
thanks for help.

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Title: KDE3 to be masked and removed from portage
Author: Samuli Suominen <ssuominen@gentoo.org>
Author: Tomáš Chvátal <scarabeus@gentoo.org>
Content-Type: text/plain
Posted: 2009-10-29
Revision: 1
News-Item-Format: 1.0
Display-If-Installed: <kde-base/kdelibs-4

After multiple setbacks we have finally managed to stabilise KDE4 on
both major desktop architectures (amd64 and x86), with other teams to
follow.

For this and other reasons as discussed at [1], those of you who still 
use KDE3 should be seriously considering an upgrade in the near future.

The KDE3 support is being dropped with immediate effect. This means
that ebuilds are dropping KDE3 support where they were broken, or
clashing with KDE4.

KDE3 packages will be moved to a special overlay named kde3.  
This can be found in layman.  [2] Note that this overlay is going to be
user maintained and will NOT be developer reviewed. [3]

[1] - http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-desktop/msg_a3e260bd0545cb4e763c81bc60f81de2.xml
[2] - http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/overlays/userguide.xml
[3] - http://git.overlays.gentoo.org/gitweb/?p=proj/kde-sunset.git

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[gentoo-dev] Re: KDE3 deprecation news item. [ the GLEP 42 based variant ]

[Duncan]

Tomáš Chvátal posted on Fri, 30 Oct 2009 22:10:17 +0100 as excerpted:

> The KDE3 support is being dropped with immediate effect. This means that
> ebuilds are dropping KDE3 support where they were broken, or clashing
> with KDE4.

I'm still not quite happy with that, but I'm not quite sure what to do to 
fix it, either.  Not without my characteristic paragraphs of 
explanation... =:^P

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[gentoo-dev] Re: KDE3 deprecation news item. [ the GLEP 42 based variant ]

[Ryan Hill]

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On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 22:20:17 +0000 (UTC)
Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> wrote:

> Tomáš Chvátal posted on Fri, 30 Oct 2009 22:10:17 +0100 as excerpted:
> 
> > The KDE3 support is being dropped with immediate effect. This means that
> > ebuilds are dropping KDE3 support where they were broken, or clashing
> > with KDE4.
> 
> I'm still not quite happy with that, but I'm not quite sure what to do to 
> fix it, either.  Not without my characteristic paragraphs of 
> explanation... =:^P
> 

"KDE3 is currently being phased out of the tree, meaning ebuilds with
KDE3 support found to be broken or clashing with KDE4 features are having
that support removed."


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[gentoo-dev] Re: KDE3 deprecation news item. [ the GLEP 42 based variant ]

[Duncan]

Ryan Hill posted on Sat, 31 Oct 2009 15:10:13 -0600 as excerpted:

> On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 22:20:17 +0000 (UTC) Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net>
> wrote:
> 
>> Tomáš Chvátal posted on Fri, 30 Oct 2009 22:10:17 +0100 as excerpted:
>> 
>> > The KDE3 support is being dropped with immediate effect. This means
>> > that ebuilds are dropping KDE3 support where they were broken, or
>> > clashing with KDE4.
>> 
>> I'm still not quite happy with that, but I'm not quite sure what to do
>> to fix it, either.  Not without my characteristic paragraphs of
>> explanation... =:^P
>> 
>> 
> "KDE3 is currently being phased out of the tree, meaning ebuilds with
> KDE3 support found to be broken or clashing with KDE4 features are
> having that support removed."

Much better, thanks! =:^)

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