From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MzJN2-000491-3K for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 00:11:36 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 07464E07EE; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 00:11:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60FCDE07EE for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 00:11:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EECD567240 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 00:11:30 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at gentoo.org X-Spam-Score: -2.549 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.549 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=0.050, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pyeK3Gc1tWvz for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 00:11:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33371678CA for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 00:11:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1MzJMj-0007mj-OX for gentoo-dev@gentoo.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 02:11:17 +0200 Received: from ip68-231-21-207.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.231.21.207]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 02:11:17 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-231-21-207.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2009 02:11:17 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org From: Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: New ebuild metadata to mark how robust the package is? Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 00:10:51 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <1255733421-30950-mlmmj-4f4db363@lists.gentoo.org> <7486f8688d881f8d4a987199cb9ec8ea.squirrel@core-mail.net> <200910170953.40078.patrick@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-231-21-207.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: Pan/0.133 (House of Butterflies) Sender: news Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 682bd6f9-53cf-4dec-9a15-a586ef49652f X-Archives-Hash: f1745b89dbdfe8e2bbe1709d364b748a Patrick Lauer posted on Sat, 17 Oct 2009 09:53:39 +0200 as excerpted: > On Saturday 17 October 2009 01:29:00 Daniel Bradshaw wrote: >> Some packages, like findutils, are pretty robust and generally just ge= t >> on with working. >> Other packages, like apache and ssh, need are more fragile and need >> plenty of configuration. > That's almost completely user-side configuration outside the influence > of portage. emerge findutils and emerge apache "works" the same ... >=20 >=20 >> Packages from the second group want emerging on their own, or in small >> groups, the better to keep an eye out for notices about things that >> might break, to update configs, and to check that they're running >> happily. > That's a very individual thing :) > Sometimes apache is a critical service, sometimes apache is just there > as a fallback if/when the lighttpd+php+... stack breaks. FWIW, there's a portage helper package, IDR the name as I have my own=20 system for this but it looks like it might be helpful here, that allows=20 users to pick and choose their updates. One could run it multiple times,= =20 updating (what the user considers) the critical stuff on its own, and=20 updating everything else in a big bunch. That seems like the answer here; it already exists; and it's in the tree=20 (unless it has been removed recently, I don't know as IDR the name). =20 Take a look thru app-portage and see what you find. --=20 Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman