From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MGO2X-0001zx-1V for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 16 Jun 2009 02:04:45 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 93A0DE0310; Tue, 16 Jun 2009 02:04:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EBAEE0310 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2009 02:04:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11706658F9 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2009 02:04:43 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at gentoo.org X-Spam-Score: -2.958 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.958 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=0.641, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id I7zYKvf40xrE for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2009 02:04:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 268A66578A for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2009 02:04:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1MGO2G-0006xq-A7 for gentoo-dev@gentoo.org; Tue, 16 Jun 2009 02:04:28 +0000 Received: from ip68-231-21-207.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.231.21.207]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2009 02:04:28 +0000 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-231-21-207.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2009 02:04:28 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org From: Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: Adding Nipper license to the tree Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 02:04:14 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <4A355D68.6050803@gentoo.org> <20090615003901.GC18753@orbis-terrarum.net> <4A36E00A.8000008@gentoo.org> <1245111501.11818.5.camel@localhost> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-231-21-207.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: Pan/0.133 (House of Butterflies) Sender: news Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 7d8b01a4-4918-443b-9ad4-ff77ca70d516 X-Archives-Hash: 7bd84e8ae13c456477f38e06ba2749fc "Tony \"Chainsaw\" Vroon" posted 1245111501.11818.5.camel@localhost, excerpted below, on Tue, 16 Jun 2009 01:18:21 +0100: > On Tue, 2009-06-16 at 00:58 +0100, Mike Auty wrote: >> So I'll leave the source version out of the tree, but I'd like thought= s >> on using RPM as a solution? Also I don't know whether an exception >> could be made for Gentoo, but equally I don't know how to phrase one o= f >> them either (Gentoo Foundation or all Gentoo developers), so I'm >> hesitant to ask. If anyone has any other ideas or possibilities, do >> let me know. Thanks... >=20 > Drop it from the tree entirely. Leave it to them to provide ebuilds. > Obviously they do not want this software to be packaged by you, if they > did they wouldn't put this intricate obstacle course in your way. > Sometimes life can be so simple. I agree.[1] The intent of the license is clear enough, make it=20 proprietary, with enough questions about the legal implications and=20 effectiveness of said license that it's simply not worth the hassle and=20 risk. I honestly don't know why he's trying to do this. As others have pointed= =20 out, either his software is valuable enough to be worth forking, and it=20 WILL fork (with the entire community shipping the freedomware fork), or=20 it's not, and he's effectively sentencing it to some likely obscure=20 proprietaryware niche. The friendly dual-license route would seem much=20 more effective at doing what he seems to want to do. ..... [1] I wrote (and revised...) an earlier reply coming to about the same=20 conclusion, but decided the SNR wasn't high enough to send and the=20 revisions weren't helping, so I sent it to /dev/null. --=20 Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman