From: Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo Council Reminder for June 11
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 06:31:00 +0000 (UTC) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <pan.2009.06.11.06.30.59@cox.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 1244672807.6190.35.camel@homer.ob.libexec.de
Tobias Scherbaum <dertobi123@gentoo.org> posted
1244672807.6190.35.camel@homer.ob.libexec.de, excerpted below, on Thu, 11
Jun 2009 00:26:47 +0200:
>> * The Council votes for final approval, pending Portage implementation.
>
> Looks good so far.
>
>> * Portage implements it in ~arch. People start using it in ~arch.
>
> I'd propose: Portage implements it in ~arch. People can start using it
> in overlays.
The problem with that is that it's a NOOP. People can use whatever they
want in overlays, already, a feature that's a good part of their
dynamic. Thus, "can start using it in overlays" is entirely meaningless.
Now one could add the single word "official" in there, as in "official
overlays", defining that term much as layman does. (Actually, it appears
the layman manpage uses the terms "fully supported" and "non-official",
not specifically the term "official", altho the contrasting "non-
official" does have the implication of making "fully supported" overlays
synonymous with "official overlays".)
>> * Portage goes stable. People are allowed to start using it in stable
>> for things that aren't deps of anything super-critical.
>
> I'd propose: Portage goes stable. 4 Weeks thereafter people are allowed
> to start using it for things that aren't deps of anything
> super-critical.
Question. Was the omission of a specific ~arch allowed step deliberate?
You went from "allowed in overlays" to "allowed in stable", without a
stop in ~arch. Either it was deliberate and an reason would have been
useful, or it was simply overlooked.
(FWIW, a policy that ~arch portage of an approved EAPI allows ~arch
packages, stable portage allows stable packages, but with the cost of
putting it in ~arch before stable portage has it stated explicitly --
that anyone choosing to do so should be prepared to revert to a previous
EAPI should a security bump require it before portage stabilizes -- that
sort of policy works for me. Problems we've had can thus be explained as
not making that cost of following ~arch portage with ~arch packages
explicit, I believe, so make it explicit and let the maintainers then
choose based on that. Perhaps add the additional caveat that it may ONLY
be done with the signoff of a backup maintainer and/or the supporting
project as well, in the hopefully unusual case that the maintainer that
did the conversion goes MIA when a security bug comes up to press the
matter, so there's always someone else that understands the situation
well enough to handle the revert to a stable EAPI as necessary. However
that's not a strongly held position and doesn't mean I oppose the above,
only that I'd like clarification thereof.)
--
Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs.
"Every nonfree program has a lord, a master --
and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman
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Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-06-04 22:26 [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council Reminder for June 11 Tiziano Müller
2009-06-05 7:35 ` Nirbheek Chauhan
2009-06-05 8:17 ` Rémi Cardona
2009-06-05 17:14 ` Nirbheek Chauhan
2009-06-10 2:00 ` Doug Goldstein
2009-06-10 16:10 ` Tiziano Müller
2009-06-10 16:17 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2009-06-10 20:58 ` Ulrich Mueller
2009-06-10 21:21 ` Tobias Scherbaum
2009-06-10 22:08 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2009-06-10 22:26 ` Tobias Scherbaum
2009-06-11 6:31 ` Duncan [this message]
2009-06-10 22:14 ` Roy Bamford
2009-06-10 22:37 ` Tobias Scherbaum
2009-06-10 22:44 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2009-06-11 6:39 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
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