From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1M8wjS-0003mk-OR for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 26 May 2009 13:30:18 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 310BAE064E; Tue, 26 May 2009 13:30:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2B09E064E for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 13:30:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98E0665298 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 13:30:16 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at gentoo.org X-Spam-Score: -2.932 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.932 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=0.667, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id In5L3mw6NniG for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 13:30:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BA60641DF for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 13:30:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1M8wj9-0002yF-6e for gentoo-dev@gentoo.org; Tue, 26 May 2009 13:29:59 +0000 Received: from ip68-231-21-207.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.231.21.207]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 13:29:59 +0000 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-231-21-207.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 13:29:59 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org From: Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: better support for binary packages Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 13:29:49 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <1243245294.7098.63.camel@hspc31.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> <1243321504.9661.14.camel@hspc30.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> <1243335643.9661.46.camel@hspc30.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-231-21-207.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: Pan/0.133 (House of Butterflies) Sender: news Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 2e37c6e0-3e1f-4518-aece-3482bd785689 X-Archives-Hash: 5e66a90a003811fb82ffcc116f2a68df Philipp Riegger posted 1243335643.9661.46.camel@hspc30.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de, excerpted below, on Tue, 26 May 2009 13:00:43 +0200: > Bit it seems to be quite an uninteresting topic, since the people most > affected by it (Gentoo developers) did not join the conversation, yet. > Maybe I should take this to gentoo-server@ and gentoo-portage@, it migh= t > fit there. Agreed on the participation observation and taking it elsewhere, both. =20 I'd think the gentoo-portage-dev list (which I also read) would be a good= =20 place for hopefully more discussion, with people actually interested. I=20 still think it's likely better, at least at first, as a separate "helper"= =20 app, but a number of such helpers have ultimately been integrated into=20 either portage itself, or into gentoolkit over time. Also, by doing it that way rather than by trying to change Gentoo as a=20 whole, you avoid the prospect of /years/ of debate that has occurred over= =20 GLEP55 and with it 54, which also set about to change the package naming=20 conventions, in this case for ebuilds. And given that PMS specifically=20 defines binary package formats as out of its domain, I really do see that= =20 as the more practical approach... unless of course you /want/ to debate=20 it for /years/ before anything gets done. =3D:^\ Then as it proves its value, it'll ultimately become the de-facto=20 standard and be integrated into some future version of PMS or whatever. --=20 Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman