From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1M7M70-0003ba-Sd for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 22 May 2009 04:12:03 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 15BCEE02DC; Fri, 22 May 2009 04:12:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA231E02DC for ; Fri, 22 May 2009 04:12:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5320D65D06 for ; Fri, 22 May 2009 04:12:00 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at gentoo.org X-Spam-Score: -2.925 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.925 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=0.674, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DaKGhoM1uEac for ; Fri, 22 May 2009 04:11:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F291655E3 for ; Fri, 22 May 2009 04:11:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1M7M6j-000408-Uy for gentoo-dev@gentoo.org; Fri, 22 May 2009 04:11:45 +0000 Received: from ip68-231-21-207.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.231.21.207]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 22 May 2009 04:11:45 +0000 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-231-21-207.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 22 May 2009 04:11:45 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org From: Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Allow bash-4.0 features in EAPI="3" ebuilds Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 04:11:36 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <200905171820.27340.Arfrever@gentoo.org> <200905201912.56509.Arfrever@gentoo.org> <20090520190043.1ab9c1bf@snowcone> <200905211957.55040.Arfrever@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-231-21-207.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: Pan/0.133 (House of Butterflies) Sender: news Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 3c027dfa-6abf-4e40-8e61-05609df921f6 X-Archives-Hash: 0ca4cede375958602025a42ee0c4d9a4 Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis posted 200905211957.55040.Arfrever@gentoo.org, excerpted below, on Thu, 21 May 2009 19:57:49 +0200: > 2009-05-20 20:00:43 Ciaran McCreesh napisa=C5=82(a): >> On Wed, 20 May 2009 19:12:56 +0200 >> Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote: >> > This error occurs only when there is no up-to-date cache for given >> > ebuild. rsync users would see only the usual "masked by: EAPI 3" >> > message. >>=20 >> We always have to assume that there might not be an up to date cache. >> The Gentoo rsync mirrors do not always ship up to date cache, >> particularly if someone's just changed a widely used eclass. >=20 > Users can wait an hour and run `emerge --sync` again. Anyway, Portage > still allows to install other ebuilds (with lower EAPI) of given > package, so this corner case doesn't need to slow down progress. Except that users are STRONGLY encouraged (on threat of ban) from syncing= =20 more than once a day. A 24-hour wait can seem like a long time,=20 especially when you're doing your weekly update on your one off day a=20 week, so it's effectively a 7-day wait, or you were updating your folks=20 computer on holiday and it could be a multi-month wait, or when=20 something's broken that you're depending on to make that presentation in=20 the morning and you know the new version fixes it because the bug said so= . If we're going to be saying wait an hour, then let's get rid of the wait=20 24-hours thing. Otherwise, that's mixed messages to users and as Ciaran=20 points out, users get confused by such things. --=20 Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman