From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LCN3G-0001BM-Rv for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:40:39 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C0680E0542; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:40:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93F6CE0542 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:40:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2291C65336 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:40:35 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at gentoo.org X-Spam-Score: -2.949 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.949 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=0.650, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jYEXbfT6WpKM for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:40:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47BF56515C for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:40:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1LCN2y-0006bg-LU for gentoo-dev@gentoo.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:40:20 +0000 Received: from ip68-230-99-190.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.230.99.190]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:40:20 +0000 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-230-99-190.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:40:20 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org From: Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Saving package emerge output (einfo, elog, ewarn, etc.) somewhere official Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:40:10 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <4932BE8F.6030000@gentoo.org> <1228168358.23326.6.camel@keitaro> <493466B4.708@gentoo.org> <20081211040850.GC31807@hermes> <4946DD7F.80408@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-230-99-190.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: Pan/0.133 (House of Butterflies) Sender: news Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 5deeff68-2088-4db0-9a2b-f6fcce8b3166 X-Archives-Hash: 1aa9dae06ef3e6ac793bf4949d985d81 Joe Peterson posted 4946DD7F.80408@gentoo.org, excerpted below, on Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:43:11 -0700: >> I don't think it's our responsibility to put documentation everywhere >> someone might conceivably look for information. >=20 > I agree with this statement, but I wasn't implying we should duplicate > information everywhere. I wanted to explore this as an opportunity to > re-think if having an official "de facto" spot for "gentoo readmes" > would make sense, thereby saving log output in a useful place where > users would learn to look regularly. I agree this would only be > reasonable if it were the right thing, architecturally, for Gentoo, not > just for this one user's issue. That suggests an interesting possibility to me. Let's see if anyone else= =20 likes it. What about some place on the web, maybe on packages, having a single=20 location with all the standard messages, listed by package and version. =20 I'm picturing a single reference location where someone can look up the=20 package and see all the routine postinst messages, etc, that it spits=20 out. Perhaps treat metapackages such that they group together all the=20 messages from the collected sub-packages. Then when we (as users) think about a big upgrade, we can go and research= =20 just what sort of thing the package maintainers already anticipate, and=20 can thus better prepare ourselves. --=20 Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman