From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KXsDp-0000M4-FH for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 06:40:09 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 14C6DE0150; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 06:40:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E35CEE0150 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 06:40:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A3E567609 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 06:40:07 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at gentoo.org X-Spam-Score: -2.759 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.759 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=0.840, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XYS5FMOWBx5U for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 06:40:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D95E6677CF for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 06:39:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1KXsDX-0000OR-9p for gentoo-dev@gentoo.org; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 06:39:51 +0000 Received: from ip68-231-12-43.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.231.12.43]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 06:39:51 +0000 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-231-12-43.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 06:39:51 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org From: Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] PROPERTIES=virtual for meta-packages (clarification of definition) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 06:39:38 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <48B1CC3C.2000103@gentoo.org> <20080825201217.194fecad@googlemail.com> <48B309C2.1060204@gentoo.org> <200808252103.27006.levertond@googlemail.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-231-12-43.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: Pan/0.133 (House of Butterflies) Sender: news Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 52da59e3-4e41-4c13-9d54-38278050fd96 X-Archives-Hash: 997680fc7c450d1e574ab140fc28464b David Leverton posted 200808252103.27006.levertond@googlemail.com, excerpted below, on Mon, 25 Aug 2008 21:03:26 +0100: > On Monday 25 August 2008 20:36:34 Zac Medico wrote: >> > Zac Medico wrote: >> >> Looking at the dependencies of kde-base/kde, it seems like it would >> >> be eligible to exhibit the "virtual" property. >> >> I'm inclined toward "virtual" since it's more brief and I think it >> might strike a chord with more people because of their familiarity wit= h >> the "virtual" category and old-style PROVIDE virtuals. We'll have to >> see what others have to say. >=20 > kde-base/kde isn't like a new- or old-style virtual. If you want it to > be used for metapackages and things too, calling it "virtual" would be > confusing. Well, we could all it meta, but then we'd have the opposite problem. So what about meta-virt, or similar? But I think virtual works just fine for kde-base/kde, too, if one simply=20 reads it literally -- it's a virtual package in that it doesn't install=20 anything itself, even if it's a meta-package rather than having the=20 meaning of the old-style virtual, that of selecting one of many=20 providers. So the only problem with virtual is the narrower old=20 meaning. Whether that's a big enough problem to worry about is of course= =20 debatable, but I don't personally believe it is, and find it every bit as= =20 clear and actually much less confusing than zero-install-cost. --=20 Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman