From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KVzVx-0008ON-LP for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 02:03:05 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 632CDE032D; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 02:03:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1848DE032D for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 02:03:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D3EE66691 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 02:03:03 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at gentoo.org X-Spam-Score: -2.754 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.754 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=0.845, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8WSJgEKKIVf6 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 02:02:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28DCF66D7D for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 02:02:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1KVzVj-0005mp-SS for gentoo-dev@gentoo.org; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 02:02:52 +0000 Received: from ip68-231-12-43.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.231.12.43]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 02:02:51 +0000 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-231-12-43.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 02:02:51 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org From: Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: License Interpretation Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 02:02:43 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <20080820151018.05814626@vrm378-02> <48ACBFBC.4070902@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-231-12-43.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: Pan/0.133 (House of Butterflies) Sender: news Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: e957759e-a27a-4378-bf59-265a9699f65c X-Archives-Hash: f95eba8547f395fb0f90175a3fa3d635 Richard Freeman posted 48ACBFBC.4070902@gentoo.org, excerpted below, on Wed, 20 Aug 2008 21:07:08 -0400: > Gentoo doesn't distribute software (well, except to the degree that we > mirror it). It probably doesn't apply in this particular case, but note that Gentoo=20 DOES distribute software in binary form on the LiveCDs, and prepackaged=20 on the package-CDs as well. =20 That definitely applies to GPLed works, for instance, and there's a=20 discussion in the archive where it was pointed out that at the time,=20 Gentoo wasn't in compliance, because we weren't ensuring our sources were= =20 available for three years, thus missing on the offer-to-provide, good-for-three-years, clause, AND we weren't always satisfying the make-sources-available-at-the-time-of-distribution alternative clause=20 either. (In that, at the time, for conference distribution and the like,= =20 we often made available LiveCDs, without corresponding directly available= =20 at the time of distribution, copies of the sources used to create them,=20 not just patches, but the complete sources.) This came up because it had been applied to Knoppix and etc and had=20 forced them to change their ways, and Gentoo was interested in correcting= =20 the problem before it likewise became a legal one for us. Again, note=20 that the license specifies all sources and scripts necessary to build,=20 etc, NOT just distribution applied patches, which is what many were doing= =20 and what was catching them off guard. There was also some discussion of=20 removing some of the outdated LiveCDs etc from distribution, so the three= - year-clock could start ticking, since until distribution has ceased it is= =20 being continuously reset. Presumably that has been corrected now, and releng is properly archiving=20 all sources used in the creation of the LiveCDs, etc, for three years=20 after they've ceased distribution. The alternative, as mentioned, would=20 be to ensure that sources are always made available at the time of=20 distribution, including at conferences and the like. In either case,=20 presumably we've stopped distributing historic LiveCDs and etc for which=20 this was not done, so at least the 3-year clock is ticking, even if we=20 can't easily go back and get the required sources should anyone call us=20 on the 3-year thing before it expires. --=20 Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman