From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KSLK6-0001EE-Qj for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 00:31:47 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EEEDFE072D; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 00:31:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1B32E072D for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 00:31:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EF8A67AB5 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 00:31:44 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at gentoo.org X-Spam-Score: -2.735 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.735 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=0.864, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pYGbLOikcHWH for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 00:31:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BE4E66502 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 00:31:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1KSLJu-0007Tr-FL for gentoo-dev@gentoo.org; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 00:31:34 +0000 Received: from ip68-231-12-43.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.231.12.43]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 00:31:34 +0000 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-231-12-43.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 00:31:34 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org From: Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: Retirement Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 00:31:26 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <200808110027.04169.zlin@gentoo.org> <20080810223515.GA10158@comet> <7c612fc60808101640l31e7f248ybf9eeba60c5faeeb@mail.gmail.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-231-12-43.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: Pan/0.133 (House of Butterflies) Sender: news Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 00e5c7ba-e1a1-4717-9536-f4a08336c831 X-Archives-Hash: fe72229f13dcf15b0f0e9c2482bee393 "Denis Dupeyron" posted 7c612fc60808101640l31e7f248ybf9eeba60c5faeeb@mail.gmail.com, excerpted below, on Mon, 11 Aug 2008 01:40:58 +0200: > On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 1:18 AM, Nikos Chantziaras > wrote: >> They always say that stuff but never bother explaining what the >> direction they wish for actually is. As a user I get the impression >> that there's some kind of evil Cabal. >=20 > Most of the Gentoo developer population is made of young males with a > natural tendency to overreaction and suboptimal communication skills > (and I'm not implying it's the case of the original poster). So, if I > were you, I wouldn't bother too much to read in between the lines of > these retirement messages. That, and by the time it comes to retirement, one has generally been thru= =20 the arguments several times already, the people that need to know why in=20 general already do, and there's a feeling it's not worth rehearsing old=20 positions and bringing up old arguments the one last time. The time for=20 that has already passed by the time someone's announcing their=20 retirement, the decision has been made, it's all water under the bridge=20 now (as the saying goes) and it's time to move on, with a clean break, no= =20 longer blaming anyone or etc as that's what one does /before/ it gets to=20 this point. So, indeed, I'm a KDE user here, and it's time to wish them well... Thanks guys for all the hard work, the product of which I'm running=20 (still KDE 3.5.9, here) as I type this. Be well, and hope to see you=20 around the community! There's plenty of projects out there that can use=20 your help! =3D8^) --=20 Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman