From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JwoQH-0005IA-8V for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 16 May 2008 01:07:49 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 628ABE0504; Fri, 16 May 2008 01:07:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C892E0504 for ; Fri, 16 May 2008 01:07:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC251660F8 for ; Fri, 16 May 2008 01:07:46 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at gentoo.org X-Spam-Score: -2.426 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.426 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=0.173, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5A4+zpoJdwfM for ; Fri, 16 May 2008 01:07:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 258A0676D5 for ; Fri, 16 May 2008 01:07:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1JwoPs-0004wL-Qs for gentoo-dev@gentoo.org; Fri, 16 May 2008 01:07:24 +0000 Received: from ip68-230-99-107.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.230.99.107]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 16 May 2008 01:07:24 +0000 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-230-99-107.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 16 May 2008 01:07:24 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org From: Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: dedicated USE-flag is inconsequent and confusing Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 01:07:14 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <1210766315.23007.25.camel@localhost> <482C13EE.4050309@gentoo.org> <6faa67950805150642l502cf46apfad307fbd0b9fd0f@mail.gmail.com> <1210861450.3957.24.camel@localhost> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-230-99-107.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: Pan/0.132 (Waxed in Black) Sender: news Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 67d7a989-3838-4f5d-aadf-3e8725a883c6 X-Archives-Hash: 81f98995b0456f44e95b215129a2a7fc Albert Zeyer posted 1210861450.3957.24.camel@localhost, excerpted below, on Thu, 15 May 2008 16:24:10 +0200: > I also don't like no* USE-flags that much. But there are already a lot > available. I thought they were introduced because it's most probable > that you want to have the specific support and if not, you have to > specify this explicitly. The no* USE flags are deprecated and headed toward legacy-only, due to=20 portage support of USE defaults being so new and there being no way to=20 default to "on", for those packages where it made the most sense,=20 previously. However, AFAIK USE defaults are an EAPI=3D1 feature, and thu= s=20 not quite yet encouraged for the general tree. That said, new versions=20 of many packages with no* USE flags have them removed in favor of USE=20 defaults. When EAPI=3D1 portage and the newer USE defaults versions of=20 these packages have been stable for a period and as the by then legacy=20 versions fade out, positive based USE defaults will ultimately replace=20 most or all of the current no* flags. All as I understand it as not-a-dev-but-a-regular-dev-list-reader. --=20 Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman --=20 gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list