From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JCyjo-0005hh-Ev for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:50:32 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 718BCE0BF8; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:50:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FC4BE0BF8 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:50:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1A2364FD4 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:50:29 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at gentoo.org X-Spam-Score: -2.03 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.03 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=0.569, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id agHGsolJ5EJZ for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:50:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEAD06521B for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:50:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1JCyjX-0008Ub-Na for gentoo-dev@gentoo.org; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:50:15 +0000 Received: from ip68-231-12-179.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.231.12.179]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:50:15 +0000 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-231-12-179.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:50:15 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org From: Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Reducing the size of the system package set Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:50:10 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <200801091551.31922.vapier@gentoo.org> <1199913217.8082.71.camel@inertia.twi-31o2.org> <200801091642.37591.vapier@gentoo.org> <478546B6.2080009@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-231-12-179.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: Pan/0.132 (Waxed in Black) Sender: news Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 6793b491-c762-41bb-b0e3-8a3e0da020f9 X-Archives-Hash: c2b35a62d9dbdfcbc74923aff7aecaf1 Josh Saddler posted 478546B6.2080009@gentoo.org, excerpted below, on Wed, 09 Jan 2008 14:12:06 -0800: > We all know that ssh is good for sysadmins and netadmins and Gentoo > developers, etc. However, desktop users -- i.e., those not in those > categories, which is most everyone else, likely do not find it as > useful. [reluctant snip] If you *need* it to do work (admins, I'm > looking at you), then you can *emerge* it. Just like vim, cvs, > dev_tool_foo etc. >=20 > I *am* a desktop user. And . . . aside from Gentoo development, I have > no need for ssh. It could easily be removed from the system profile -- > the only place it might be kept is in the liveCD environment, for remot= e > installations. Other than that, we don't need to ship it in our stages; > just on the media. As another desktop user (who FWIW has his virtual/ssh entry pointed at=20 sys-apps/baselayout, one more reason he's glad Gentoo's flexible like=20 that =3D8^) ... ++ --=20 Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman --=20 gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list