From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1IBgop-00032s-Ne for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 00:58:08 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l6K0v3AS009419; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 00:57:03 GMT Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6K0t8AW007175 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 00:55:08 GMT Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05DE865D36 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 00:55:08 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at gentoo.org X-Spam-Score: -1.167 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.167 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=-1.168, BAYES_50=0.001] Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FlmZBg+fgJo3 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 00:55:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15FC7652E4 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 00:55:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IBgl4-0006J8-Gg for gentoo-dev@gentoo.org; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 02:54:14 +0200 Received: from ip68-230-68-110.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.230.68.110]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 02:54:14 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-230-68-110.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 02:54:14 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org From: Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: net-im/pidgin protocols Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 00:52:49 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <469F1C56.6070600@gentoo.org> <469F372A.9060107@gentoo.org> <469F3A9F.7030004@gentoo.org> <46A0DE7B.6030009@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-230-68-110.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: Pan/0.131 (Ghosts: First Variation) Sender: news X-Archives-Salt: c3e63356-e36d-4e02-a4a5-9f6553cc497e X-Archives-Hash: 8264b29a77cf1071f63415cae4267589 joshua jackson posted 46A0DE7B.6030009@gentoo.org, excerpted below, on Fri, 20 Jul 2007 09:10:35 -0700: > Honestly..this is not something to get picky over jakub. Upstream was > nice and actually came and politely asked us to change the defaults to > what most people would consider sane (all protocols by default). As I > think most people emerging pidgin..would like to use any protocol by > default..not go..hey I don't have yahoo, I should check my use flags. > Which obviously hasn't happened as users pop up in #pidgin to ask why > the heck there isn't a yahoo account available. [Dev-discussion, so kept posted here.] I've not seen this question come up yet, so I'll raise it. Shouldn't the question really depend on whether optional dependencies are pulled in by the protocols or not? If everything's pidgin internal, then if upstream wants all the protocols on as shipped, I think that's the sane thing to do. OTOH, if enabling those protocols pulls in all sorts of additional packages to support them, shipping with everything on just because it's possible is not the Gentoo way. That's what USE flags are for. If indeed additional dependencies are pulled in, IMO the USE flags should remain, and maybe someone needs to explain the Gentoo way to upstream. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list