From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1IAjWk-0000pc-Nn for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 09:39:31 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l6H9cbPx030432; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 09:38:37 GMT Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6H9aSwk027848 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 09:36:29 GMT Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C74D64F0C for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 09:36:28 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at gentoo.org X-Spam-Score: -1.108 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.108 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=-1.239, BAYES_50=0.001, SARE_RMML_Stock10=0.13] Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ocxp+reypDiW for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 09:36:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A3A364D91 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 09:36:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IAjTc-0007fy-DY for gentoo-dev@gentoo.org; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 11:36:16 +0200 Received: from ip68-230-68-110.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.230.68.110]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 11:36:16 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-230-68-110.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 11:36:16 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org From: Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: ML changes Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 09:36:11 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <46968E00.4070202@gentoo.org> <46999A84.10101@gentoo.org> <1184604111.15155.1200413171@webmail.messagingengine.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-230-68-110.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: Pan/0.131 (Ghosts: First Variation) Sender: news X-Archives-Salt: 7ccfaebe-86bc-4b58-9e2c-5ca7fde852d9 X-Archives-Hash: 9b59bf923d0e5d947d18078ea95bceda "Thomas Tuttle" posted 1184604111.15155.1200413171@webmail.messagingengine.com, excerpted below, on Mon, 16 Jul 2007 12:41:51 -0400: > On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 23:54:44 -0400, "Daniel Drake" > said: >> I do like the "gentoo-politics" idea that came up a few weeks ago, >> which was to move politics off gentoo-dev and to another list, but I'd >> view it from another perspective (and avoid the words 'politics'): make >> gentoo-dev for development topics only, and have another list for the >> rest. But, I suspect we'd come back to the same problem on both lists, >> where some people are too keen to talk and deviate too far away from >> technical discussion. > > On IRC, when a conversation wanders offtopic, one of the ops just nudges > the participants and says "hey, you should move your conversation to > #gentoo-foo" (or "##foo" or whatever). Wouldn't it be easy enough for > someone to do that here? It'd be pretty easy to specify what's on- and > off-topic for each list, and it would be friendlier than moderation, > just like it's friendlier for IRC ops to ask you nicely to switch > channels than to simply kick you out. That's what I'm hoping/praying/fingering-the-rosary will happen when -project gets off the ground (and we now have a declaration of intent from infra, and still no direct opposition to /just/ adding the list, that I've seen). The frustration I've had and I expect others have had as well, is that currently there's no really appropriate place to push folks to. When project gets up and running, that'll change, and I'm REALLY hoping there'll be overwhelming buy-in from everyone into /doing/ that nudging. I know I'd not have an objection if told a post of mine belonged there, particularly if it was obvious anyone else, devs or not, would get the same treatment for a similar post. Just now, there's nowhere to go, so I'd consider an objection legitimate -- and have in fact made a couple such objections in the past. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list