From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1IAAFT-0000NA-Ai for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 19:59:19 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l6FJwPG7003204; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 19:58:25 GMT Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6FJuTan000932 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 19:56:29 GMT Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E31CE642A6 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 19:56:28 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at gentoo.org X-Spam-Score: -1.179 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.179 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=-1.180, BAYES_50=0.001] Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2+DF-7euSjJr for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 19:56:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABDFF650BE for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 19:56:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IAACT-0005YK-He for gentoo-dev@gentoo.org; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 21:56:13 +0200 Received: from ip68-230-68-110.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.230.68.110]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 21:56:13 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-230-68-110.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 21:56:13 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org From: Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2007/08 Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 19:56:05 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <20070702205057.TA3f325.tv@veller.net> <468BB9B8.3020401@gentoo.org> <468BBB70.9050709@gentoo.org> <1183674055.8491.44.camel@inertia.twi-31o2.org> <20070715114621.TA3eb5e.tv@veller.net> <20070715132018.TA94041.tv@veller.net> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-230-68-110.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: Pan/0.131 (Ghosts: First Variation) Sender: news Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by robin.gentoo.org id l6FJwPI4003204 X-Archives-Salt: 2e573379-9d2d-478f-bbc0-af6dda4a752a X-Archives-Hash: 4ed281b1c1b44c659e9ea4c995f7f99a Torsten Veller posted 20070715132018.TA94041.tv@veller.net, excerpted below, on Sun, 15 Jul 2007 13:40:29 +0200: > * Tiziano M=C3=BCller : >> Torsten Veller schrieb: >> > Let me please point out that no infrastructure team member is on the >> > list right now. >> >=20 >> > As infra is often involved in implementing council decisions we >> > should take care that the information flows. IMHO the easiest way to >> > achieve this is electing an infra member to the council. >>=20 >> In the contrary. We should see that not too much power/responsibility >> is concentrated on a single person. >>=20 >> Since... >> a) This guarantees that the council comes to a decision which is not >> influenced by the (direct and already known) interest of it's members >> and >> b) Reduces the risk for Gentoo when someone with more than one key >> position leaves >=20 > If devs in a key position leave, it's often a problem. But I don't see = a > concentration problem here. The problem in practice is this: As Chris G. I believe it was pointed=20 out, being a Council member is "hella" stressful. (From memory so the=20 numbers are fuzzy, ask Chris.) Of the this term's seven elected council=20 members, two ended up retiring from Gentoo entirely, while others almost=20 did and/or resigned from their council position. Few of the remaining=20 ones are interested in ever running for the position again. So serious as a heart attack, there is a real problem. Unfortunately, as= =20 currently structured, the stress on council is great enough that people=20 /do/ leave in the middle of their term, so it's best to consider that a=20 real likelihood when thinking about nominations and votes for council. I respect Chris G a lot, but it's very obvious the stress has affected=20 how he deals with Gentoo as well, and he's stated no way is he interested= =20 in the position again. I think everybody nominated even more than those=20 voting would do well to pay serious attention to what he says on the=20 subject, because how they handle their duties as council members has a=20 very real likelihood of permanently affecting their relationship with=20 Gentoo. =20 I know if I were a dev and nominated, I'd be seriously contemplating=20 whether it were worth doing, in the light of how dramatically it=20 negatively affected the Gentoo life of last years elected council. =20 There's no escaping the reality, however one might wish to pretend it=20 won't affect them. I'd be asking myself if the council position was=20 worth possibly getting so burnt out and fed up with Gentoo that I quit. =20 Some might believe in what they want to do enough to find it worth it,=20 while others believe in their ability to handle the situation=20 regardless. More power to them. =20 I do hope that those that accept the nomination and are ultimately=20 elected are ready for it, because it really hurts to lose good people,=20 and by definition, anyone well respected enough to win an elected seat on= =20 the council is a "good" person in terms of their contribution to Gentoo,=20 or they'd not be winning that seat. Losing anyone that well respected by= =20 their peers is GOING to hurt, so I really do hope the folks that are=20 running are prepared for what they are getting themselves into, and we=20 /don't/ lose anyone due to council duties this coming year. --=20 Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman --=20 gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list