From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1IA1fE-0007vK-Qs for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 10:49:21 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l6FAmLA1015398; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 10:48:21 GMT Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6FAjlcT012173 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 10:45:48 GMT Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84AB5650AD for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 10:45:47 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at gentoo.org X-Spam-Score: -1.183 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.183 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=-1.184, BAYES_50=0.001] Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4QbHgENSjtBH for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 10:45:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A314C650DC for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 10:45:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IA1bX-0005lq-84 for gentoo-dev@gentoo.org; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 12:45:31 +0200 Received: from ip68-230-68-110.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.230.68.110]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 12:45:31 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-230-68-110.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 12:45:31 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org From: Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: ML changes Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 10:45:21 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <46968E00.4070202@gentoo.org> <46999A84.10101@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-230-68-110.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: Pan/0.131 (Ghosts: First Variation) Sender: news X-Archives-Salt: 045c494e-2d56-40c4-b526-4ef1bc2ddee6 X-Archives-Hash: 4e5767b550d1044fa1a0c8486e79df45 Daniel Drake posted 46999A84.10101@gentoo.org, excerpted below, on Sat, 14 Jul 2007 23:54:44 -0400: > I do like the "gentoo-politics" idea that came up a few weeks ago, which > was to move politics off gentoo-dev and to another list, but I'd view it > from another perspective (and avoid the words 'politics'): make > gentoo-dev for development topics only, and have another list for the > rest. But, I suspect we'd come back to the same problem on both lists, > where some people are too keen to talk and deviate too far away from > technical discussion. I like the "gentoo-project" (yes, that's better than politics) idea as well, and believe it /could/ solve the problem here, given a couple conditions are met. One, -project is not to be required reading for devs as -dev is. Devs (and others) can ignore it if they wish. Two, people be consistent about telling folks to go to -project when it goes OT, setting the followup-to/reply-to. Telling folks much of the current discussion doesn't belong in -dev doesn't help now, because there's nowhere to send them. Once there is, simple "no further replies here, this belongs on the gentoo-project list", no name calling, no further discussion, just that, if enough current regulars do it, should dramatically decrease the noise level here. Already since the idea was proposed, I've wished the other list was up and running, as there are posts I'd have posted there rather than here, this whole thread could have gone there (except one would hope it wouldn't be needed then), etc. I really think it can work... because I've seen it work on other groups and mailing lists before. It just has to be implemented. Then, if after a month or two it's not working, / then/ I'd say it's time to consider bringing in the big moderation guns. But I think it can and will work without those guns, provided we give it the chance and effort to make it so. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list