From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1I9DUB-0000lR-7c for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 05:14:35 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l6D5DdKL030302; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 05:13:39 GMT Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6D5BZeW027593 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 05:11:35 GMT Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CED8C6572F for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 05:11:34 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at gentoo.org X-Spam-Score: -0.725 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.725 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=-0.726, BAYES_50=0.001] Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sosRkBUlz2cE for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 05:11:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFFC365539 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 05:11:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1I9DRA-0008Ae-Fm for gentoo-dev@gentoo.org; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 07:11:28 +0200 Received: from ip68-231-14-118.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.231.14.118]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 07:11:28 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-231-14-118.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 07:11:28 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org From: Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: ML changes Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 05:11:19 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <46968E00.4070202@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-231-14-118.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: Pan/0.131 (Ghosts: First Variation) Sender: news X-Archives-Salt: e7d21cc1-3940-4b4a-82b7-a76bd7d9b9eb X-Archives-Hash: 63dc582e71581d5b49bdf7036b1fd519 Ryan Hill posted f76iu0$j6u$1@sea.gmane.org, excerpted below, on Thu, 12 Jul 2007 19:01:53 -0600: > Why don't we create the gentoo-project mailing > list, and, you know, actually wait a bit to see how that actually goes. > Then we can talk about how best to handle -dev. One shit at a time, > people. +1 It should also be noted that it's council election time, and I don't believe a change such as closing -dev to moderated write status is really urgent enough to have the outgoing council handle. Let the folks running for council now make their positions part of their platforms, and after - project is up and running for a couple months and the new council is in place, /then/ let's see if moderating -dev remains a burning enough issue to be voted on. Otherwise, what happens if the new council sees things differently. If they reverse course, it's going to cause reverberations. If they are unhappy with things but decide to uphold the previous council, well that has its own problems. Here's what I'd suggest. Let the current council have its vote -- as a recommendation for the new council, not a binding/active decision. Then the new council can come in and build on those preliminaries, taking into account further developments as -project comes into its own, as they see fit. If the recommendation from the old council and the implementation of the new council both go the same way, it'll be a VERY strong decision. If the new council sees things differently, at least with it being an issue during the nomination and vote, they'll be able to point to that and say we did as we were elected to do. Either way, I believe it'll be a rather stronger decision than if the outgoing council acts on it as what amounts to lame ducks. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list