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From: Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net>
Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: new herd: theology
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 13:16:27 +0000 (UTC)
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Thomas R=C3=B6sner <Thomas.Roesner@digital-trauma.de> posted
4633408F.5030507@digital-trauma.de, excerpted below, on Sat, 28 Apr 2007
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> I still fail to see why this is such a big thing if one package which i=
s
> mainly used in relation to a religion is in a herd called theology. It'=
s
> not as if the world will come to a shattering halt and chaos will reign.
> If for some reason the gnome herd adopted fluxbox or the KDE people
> would take care of HAL, would you object because their herd names don't
> fit? Even if the alternative was the packet remaining herdless, because
> no other herd was interested?
>=20
> It's not as if this is a giant library, where a book will be lost
> forever if it's in the wrong category, or like putting ID on the scienc=
e
> curriculum. Herds loosely lump related packages together, don't they? I
> thought they were just infrastructure, not real categories.
Indeed. That's why while I don't personally agree with the idea of=20
genealogy in theology, I think it goes in sci-*, I also don't believe=20
it's a big deal in terms of herd placement. Herd placement is primarily=20
of "internal Gentoo interest", that is, to Gentoo devs/ATs/etc, not even=20
most users except for filing bugs and if it's automated there... .=20
If it was tree category placement and therefore could conceivably affect=20
Gentoo user discoverability or otherwise had any significant external=20
meaning at all, there might be /some/ reason to argue about it, but if=20
it's only of interest internally for administrative use or the like,=20
altho as I said it might raise a few eyebrows when folks happen across=20
it. =20
It's not as if it makes a difference, either to devs involved with it who=
=20
will be involved anyway, or to those not interested in which case most=20
won't touch it anyway, or even to bug wranglers or the like since that=20
will be partially automated and where it isn't, they'll soon have job-
specific internal knowledge like this down along with all the rest of=20
it. Since it's not going to make a difference, certainly one of any=20
significance, what's the big deal? "Much ado about nothing"?=20
( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Much_Ado_About_Nothing )
--=20
Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs.
"Every nonfree program has a lord, a master --
and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman
--=20
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