From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Hcf0k-0007Uh-0c for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 09:57:38 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l3E9tHQP009861; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 09:55:17 GMT Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3E9pnBM005162 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 09:51:50 GMT Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C49564A38 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 09:51:49 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at gentoo.org X-Spam-Score: -0.915 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.915 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=-0.915] Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id u9cAoys9ejRX for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 09:51:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA49064F1C for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 09:51:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Hceun-0003bo-Ep for gentoo-dev@gentoo.org; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 11:51:29 +0200 Received: from ip68-231-15-154.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.231.15.154]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 11:51:29 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-231-15-154.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 11:51:29 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org From: Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: EAPI 1 (Was: Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for April) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 09:51:24 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <20070401092940.1B4C26441E@smtp.gentoo.org> <20070413191627.268ae249@snowflake> <1176491864.6435.24.camel@ashe.anyarch.net> <200704132301.41614.vapier@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-231-15-154.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: Pan/0.126 (Demon Sweat) Sender: news X-Archives-Salt: 268b6a84-cad9-4dff-b87b-820220a6719d X-Archives-Hash: 145f68abf640c442a39d64d240683151 Mike Frysinger posted 200704132301.41614.vapier@gentoo.org, excerpted below, on Fri, 13 Apr 2007 23:01:40 -0400: > they realize they have no way at all of disabling the mandatory test ... > RESTRICT is an ebuild variable, not a package manager variable > this is why implementing it via the profile FEATURES works ... users can > still easily opt out and in case of some catastrofuck and we havent > screwed ourselves into a corner by mixing policy with spec Why not keep the feature but simply default it to ON instead of OFF? That's what I had assumed all along, and in fact seems to have been what was proposed since in several places the argument was that devs would be testing it anyway, thus implying the option remains NOT to test it. As I've said a couple times now, however, adding FEATURES=bigtest would IMO be useful, then let the ebuild use that for extra resource intensive tests or the like. Default would be FEATURES="test -bigtest", thus advancing the default QA for everyone, while continuing to allow users to opt-in/out entirely if desired. As for non-maintainer archs, the maintainer would test it on his arch, and arch-teams would test it on theirs before keywording stable. Those (like myself) running ~arch on non-maintainer archs should be prepared to live with the consequences of that choice anyway, including the occasional test failure on their arch because the maintainer didn't test it there and the arch-team hasn't gotten to it yet. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list