From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1EuzPa-0006xc-CV for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 21:46:14 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k06LjTe0029988; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 21:45:29 GMT Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [134.68.220.30]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k06Lhe5i026555 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 21:43:40 GMT Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2] helo=ciao.gmane.org) by smtp.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1EuzN5-0001aw-QZ for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 21:43:40 +0000 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EuzN3-0004iC-9W for gentoo-dev@gentoo.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 22:43:37 +0100 Received: from ip68-230-97-182.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.230.97.182]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 22:43:37 +0100 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-230-97-182.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 22:43:37 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org From: Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 14:43:28 -0700 Organization: Organization? Only haphazardly. Message-ID: References: <43B975FD.1000401@gentoo.org> <200601052030.36308.carlo@gentoo.org> <200601061223.57432@enterprise.flameeyes.is-a-geek.org> <20060106171011.GD5051@bmb24.uth.tmc.edu> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-230-97-182.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: Pan/0.14.2.91 (As She Crawled Across the Table) Sender: news X-Archives-Salt: 2df7b736-7bd2-4af7-b2f4-1066b5d06fc2 X-Archives-Hash: 64d36d4be8763f0e7aaecd52428caf85 Grant Goodyear posted <20060106171011.GD5051@bmb24.uth.tmc.edu>, excerpted below, on Fri, 06 Jan 2006 11:10:11 -0600: > Most of the things that people like about Gentoo have little to do with > the underlying C library, kernel, and userland. Instead, it's portage, > sane configuration files, and dependency-based start-up scripts that > tend to attract people, and as such it's not surprising that people > would like to have all of that on a nominally *BSD-based system (for > those people who actually do care about the underlying C library, > kernel, and userland). > > That's the practical reason. A slightly more idealistic reason is that > part of the Gentoo philosophy is that packages should work as portably > as possible, and we should be a member-in-good-standing of the > community. The native *BSD teams have been known to patch their ports > to work on their systems without sending their patches upstream. We > have a single portage tree that handles packages for all archs (and > OSs), and our Alt teams work hard to generate patches that are (a) > applied independent of arch/os/whatever and (b) sent upstream. Consequently, > work on non-Linux actually does a fair bit to improve the entire > community. Clear, short, and simple. Thanks. I like the "good citizen" thing, but obviously, that's hardly enough to do it, because there are so many possible "good citizen" things out there to do, and too little time to do them all, so there has to be another reason. You gave one, the stuff that makes Gentoo Gentoo, independent of the underlying kernel and userland flavor. That stimulated me to think of another. Testing our packages (and the stuff from upstream) on another base system will by definition catch bugs unseen on a single kernel/userland, thus making both Gentoo and the upstream packages (since we submit patches upstream) more robust. That's /always/ going to be a good thing! Thanks again. I don't believe I would have seen that particular angle on my own, or at least not made the connection right away. Your explanation made it easy! -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman in http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2004/12/22/rms_interview.html -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list