From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1Euo4T-00051q-Pu for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 09:39:42 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k069cw7n001128; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 09:38:58 GMT Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [134.68.220.30]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k069aEW6025579 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 09:36:15 GMT Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2] helo=ciao.gmane.org) by smtp.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1Euo18-000529-J7 for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 09:36:14 +0000 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Euo15-0008LI-Nu for gentoo-dev@gentoo.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 10:36:11 +0100 Received: from ip68-230-97-182.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.230.97.182]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 10:36:11 +0100 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-230-97-182.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 10:36:11 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org From: Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 19: Gentoo Stable Portage Tree -- ideas Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 02:36:02 -0700 Organization: Organization? Only haphazardly. Message-ID: References: <43BDF53C.8080205@leetworks.com> <20060106053556.GD28075@nightcrawler.e-centre.net> <623652d50601060100w2bd03634i@mail.gmail.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-230-97-182.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: Pan/0.14.2.91 (As She Crawled Across the Table) Sender: news X-Archives-Salt: c79f4901-1e65-4df5-9b62-6a640c76c1c4 X-Archives-Hash: 3a442d7a8fadce6dde808915948a66f3 Chris Bainbridge posted <623652d50601060100w2bd03634i@mail.gmail.com>, excerpted below, on Fri, 06 Jan 2006 09:00:59 +0000: > The problems being: > > 1) Manpower. There are already 10,000 open bugs in bugzilla (and > growing) without adding more. > 2) Lack of interest. Most developers aren't interested in supporting > "old" packages. > 3) The enterprise. Both of the above problems would be fixed if > enterprises were contributing developers and/or money. However, they > aren't, so why is that? The truth is most enterprises want to go to a > big company to buy their software. They want one homogeneous binary > system, not a flexible way of building packages from source, and they > want someone else to do it and be responsible for it. > The only way I can see to solve these problems is more automation. [] > For QA gentoo really needs a compile farm with automated compile, > install and test (from those ebuilds that support it). Make the system > smarter, instead of throwing more people at the problem. You didn't say it, but it should be self-evident. The automation solution is tied to money, which, ultimately, comes back to #3. I know it's been said before, but really, Gentoo doesn't seem to fit the enterprise mold well enough to get the enterprise money. There are better fitting organizations out there, that require less direct modificatiion to get them into the enterprise mold, so /they/ get the enterprise money. I know some disagree with this and think Gentoo should be specifically targeting the enterprise, but IMO, that's not Gentoo's niche and never will be. OTOH, it's entirely possible a Gentoo /based/ enterprise distribution may emerge at some point. IMO, however, there's enough conflict with what makes Gentoo great at what it does today, that such efforts should be separate from Gentoo itself. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman in http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2004/12/22/rms_interview.html -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list