From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1Eqxt3-0002TT-7Z for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 19:20:01 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id jBQJJ5VY010880; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 19:19:05 GMT Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [134.68.220.30]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jBQJFvWN010821 for ; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 19:15:57 GMT Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2] helo=ciao.gmane.org) by smtp.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1Eqxp6-0002uo-J0 for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 19:15:56 +0000 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Eqxoy-0001NJ-KA for gentoo-dev@gentoo.org; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 20:15:48 +0100 Received: from ip68-230-97-182.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.230.97.182]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 20:15:48 +0100 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-230-97-182.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 20:15:48 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org From: Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: Stupid USE defaults that need cleaning Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 12:15:42 -0700 Organization: Sometimes Message-ID: References: <43AF7B25.6060803@gentoo.org> <20051226153533.695493e4@snowdrop.home> <1962459692.20051226175717@gentoo.org> <20051226170745.67fa5325@snowdrop.home> <55309248.20051226185355@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-230-97-182.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: Pan/0.14.2.91 (As She Crawled Across the Table) Sender: news X-Archives-Salt: 943b9715-dde8-4a45-81d3-bdef8b11e143 X-Archives-Hash: 4fd8fc820868f76a78ef22266c936228 Jakub Moc posted <55309248.20051226185355@gentoo.org>, excerpted below, on Mon, 26 Dec 2005 18:53:55 +0100: > > 26.12.2005, 18:07:45, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > >> On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 17:57:17 +0100 Jakub Moc wrote: >> | alsa - this does not make most sense definitely, this horrible thing >> | needs to die. > >> Why? On x86, alsa is the least broken sound system, and on x86, the >> target for the default profiles is desktops, and most desktops have >> soundcards. > > Uh eh... I meant *arts*, no clue how I wrote alsa. USE=arts is a great default, again, by the definition already given "for packages that can optionally support arts, should it be enabled by default or not". Most of the arts-optional packages will be KDE. KDE by default should be arts-aware, at least in KDE 3.x. 4.x will be a different matter, but with 3.x, while KDE /can/ run without arts, it's /designed/ to run /with/ arts, so that's the entirely logical default. Of course, there are packages such as xmms that don't have an direct relationship to KDE save that they optionally support arts. Great! For such packages there's this user-configurable file in /etc/portage called package.use. For those that don't want arts at all, simply set -arts in make.conf and be done with it. Meanwhile, USE=arts remains an entirely logical default. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman in http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2004/12/22/rms_interview.html -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list